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[94delsolSI]

alright people why is a B16 even being compared to a B20 its a bigger engine so it gonna be more rigid. and i am suprised to have not heard anyone say anything about a B20 with a B16 head that is one of the best swaps to pull. if anyone has read all of this month's tuning magazines you may have run into an article about 4 civics 3 of which have naturally aspirated B20's and the last a GSR turbo of course all finally detailed and tuned but still the slowest is the GSR turbo and so if any of you people for the B16 think you can beat a GSR turbo then your opinions right but if your smart you'll recognize you wouldnt even come close. of course the B20 sleeves are weak and would need to be replaced and you need a girdle for it. and who worries about having to much torque if you know how to launch then that wont be a problem i hope no one try's to question my knowledge my life is cars and i work at modifyd but i would like to hear other opinions

[B16EJ1]

First off where's all this coming from? I have read that article and all it did was prove to me that the B20VTEC swap costs too damn much for the output. The whole reason behind the swap is for the torque and yet the H22 still puts out more and if I remember the article the Type R has about the same. These CRVTEC Civic's are fully built and yet I've seen a four door Civic w/ an H22 put out the same times with just bolt-ons. I'd say if you have the money to waste then why not and if it was such a bad ass swap then why don't pro draggers use the set up? But anyways what are you trying to say here?

[94delsolSI]

first off pro draggers use many different setups in fact many amateur draggers use this setup and as in money wise if you work at shop or know them well you can get good prices and sorry but i dont think about money cause i have drove many cars with many swaps in them that my shop has performed. and as for people who do think about money this swap still is not as expensive as some.

[94delsolSI]

sorry forgot to mention a few things H22's with simple bolt on due not run 11's and 12's as a built B20 does and H22's can hold as much power as B series engines. and the article i was talkin about was a GSR not an R and it ran a second slower which when you are in really good times is quite a bit and my whole argument was against B16's not H22's so i do not even know why that was brought up

[B16EJ1]

Who here was comparing the B16 and B20? Never seen it in this forum.
Like I've said before a four door lays low 13's with an H22 with boltons and I've seen hatches with H22's runnin 12's and yes your B20 MUST be BUILT to run those times anyway . It isn't unheard of or far fetched for an H22'd hatch to run those. The reason I mentioned the H22 is because for all the fabrication you need to do( all for the torque ) the H22 still has more. Yeah if you know the right people the price may be right but that isn't everyone.

[94delsolSI]

your full of it and dont know what your talkin about. i dont appreciate you even starting an argument with me in the first place. i work at modifyd i know what i am talkin about sleeves on an H22 are weak to do you even know what simple bolt ons are?

[1320B4U]

A B20 is a CRV 2.0L block with a B series head on it, right? What does it cost to build one? You need pistons, rods, crankshaft, all the internals beefed up? What kind of power do they put out? What will it run in a Civic HB?
I have a friend with a 92 HB, H22a, 17's, Mugen kit, Championship white, roll cage, Sparcos, It looks better than most of the ones you see in the lame Honda mags(SS). Anyway, he did the engine swap himself, and I think he said it cost him $2200 for engine and bolt-ons(intake, exhaust, cams, cam gears), it ran a 12.9 at PIR the first time out. $2200 for a 12sec Civic, torqy enough for everyday driving.

[94delsolSI]

well of course the CRV has B series head on it, its a B series engine only makes since doesnt it

[94delsolSI]

and it doesnt have to be that built just sleeves, pistons for compression, and rods the valve train doesnt need to be messed with plus if you want a new head and all that wouldnt cost that much

[KrNxRaCer00]

since when do we compare b16's to b20's? uh...ls/vtec swap is MUCH more common an cost effective anyways, an i've seen one beat an h22'd civic. i'm not saying the h22 is slow at all even only w/ simple bolt-ons (i/h/e/cam gears/etc...), cuz they'll put down impressive times, BUT dollar for dollar, the ls/vtec will put down MORE power to the wheels w/ simple bolts.

'm not doggin h22' swaps at all, except for the weight of the engine (which would cause a lil problem if u kno nothing about cars/suspension), its a great swap. it DOES get a lil pricey w/ install, but don't they all? i don't really see a huge arguement here guys...jus depends on taste i guess?

one last thing...the whole "who cares about torque if u kno how to launch?" uh...torque is gonna play a huge roll in a race if the motors have same h/p an one car has 100 more lbs of torque w/ equal drivers...

[civicHBsi91]

GSR turbo of course all finally detailed and tuned but still the slowest is the GSR turbo

u notice he had full interior and it was streetable? no slicks or anything? i dunno about anyone else but ide rather have that one anyway, change the rims and hood and i would keep that thing forever