Don't buy American

[bluezuan]

Yeah I'm an American as apple pie. Yet tired of my pockets being emptied on crap products being made by complacent workers and poor management american run companys...
Its on the table as in your face as to a product you pay for and expect a good product and chevy and dodge are crap products....
Ford is on the edge...

Peace

[alloro]

It's irrelevant if American products are good, bad, or indifferent. The more you buy foreign the faster American businesses will fail. Once all of the American businesses are gone, you then will have no choice except foreign. You'll know it and they'll know it. Then they will drop their quality, raise their prices, and you won't be able to do a thing about it.

You may think you're standing up now, but all you're doing is step one to bending over.

[bluezuan]

sorry alloro-----american men work to hard and just a descent car to get to work is standard...your not getting the picture. You think the men running these companys have grease on their finger? Hell no-------

[2000izusu]

whats this got to do with fixing dodge vans!!!!

[alloro]

The discussion goes toward the quality of the construction put into the vans. Fair game IMO.

[bluezuan]

The quality of the construction of the van? The bottom line is this. Just look at the cars and vans on the road to mostly cars and what do you see? The majority? Is it American? Who's in bankruptcy?
Thinking people make a good product-greedy people make the illusion of a good product...

Games over for me-----I'll buy the best best product for my money...

[alloro]

I didn't rate the quality. I only mentioned quality as being the subject of discussion and therefore it is appropriate for it to be discussed here.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by 2000izusu

whats this got to do with fixing dodge vans!!!!

I agree. This is a valid topic, but it belongs in Stress Relief, not in the Dodge Van forum... which is where it has been moved.

[mudslinger88]

I have owned and driven nothing but American made vehicles. Both Ford and GM products, they have run, driven and lasted a VERY long time. I don't drive Diemler-Chrysler products cause I don't know how to work on them and I don't really like thier style. It's a personal decision. The reason I haven't bought any foreign vehicles is because I want to contribute to the AMERICAN economy not the foreign economies. I already have to purchase oil that is coming from the Middle East. I don't want to give my money to other countries. I can't change every persons mind but I do think that if the American people really want to bring the economy up they should purchase American made products, to include vehicles. There are plenty of fuel efficient vehicles that are American made.

[Gohan Ryu]

Honda has as many assembly plants in the US and Canada as they do in Japan. So do a lot of other foreign mfgs. So you're still supporting the American economy buy buying certain "imports".

[zzyzzx2]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

Honda has as many assembly plants in the US and Canada as they do in Japan. So do a lot of other foreign mfgs. So you're still supporting the American economy buy buying certain "imports".

Yeah, but all the high paying back office jobs are in Japan. That doesn't help us one bit.

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by zzyzzx2

Yeah, but all the high paying back office jobs are in Japan. That doesn't help us one bit.

Not one bit? There are thousands of blue collar workers making a living working for Japanese assembly plants in America. To me they're more important than the high paid suits. Anyway I'd rather give my money to the Japanese suits than to the greedy American suits who give themselves 20 million dollar bonuses using money "borrowed" from us taxpayers. A 20 million dollar bonus for nearly causing the company to go bankrupt? WTF???

...and I use the term "borrowed" very loosely - we all know they're not going to pay it back in full.

[bluezuan]

Nice to see some thinking people chatting on their views of what American made is. Well the dog days of summer are over for American complacency, not sure why? I mean the few cats their catching and putting away for their atrocitys against the business world itself well hey, it goes on down the ladder as to well made products...
I've been a freelancer, craftsman, artist all my life, so I live through my body and being. Not off the blood of another for the illusion of something they think are well made product that the suits and familys running the american auto industry or corporate fascists who have finally come to deal with reality...
My Dodge van I bought with 58k on it outright has drained my pockets to the point that I will never buy another American made car, truck again....

[zzyzzx2]

Originally Posted by bluezuan

I bought with 58k on it outright has drained my pockets to the point that I will never buy another American made car, truck again....

OK, so you are judging all American branded cars based upon the worst make made? Then go out and buy a Mitsubishi so we can read your bitching about how bad all Japanese cars are.

Or just get a Ford.

[Doug Rodrigues]

The '88 GMC Sierra P/u I used to own years ago was a piece of crap, but the RAM Van I have now is great. The RAM Van has a zinc rust proof coating under the vehicle. The rust is absolutely minimum...just a few specks here and there. The GMC was coated with rust all over the frame. Both driven the same way, in the same conditions. Everything that could have gone wrong with a GMC P/U did go wrong. By the 100,000 mile mark, the following had gone bad: Fuel injection; transmission; universal joints; fuel pump; the crankshaft pully fell off; the air conditioner leaked; alternator; air pump; windshield wipers; and it only got 6 mpg! I started carrying spare parts with me in the event it broke down on the highway! That was the last GM product I ever purchased.

Had a few problems with my Dodge RAM Van, but nothing like that GMC.