Uneducated Actors

[tomlong]

Subject: It's a long one, but well worth the read!!


Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.
(Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United States Army)

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry
staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, **** Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981.
(Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (**** Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her
advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbara Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting


Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal.Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in
Washington, D.C. Career: Acting (disowned by Catholic University)

Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting

Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian
Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic
out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the
war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in
the White House.


Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world
peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence
that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining
nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They
believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that
since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions
concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation
when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough
friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking
for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we
are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and
divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare
they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more
bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in
1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate
war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with
conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan...
PEACE through STRENGTH.

[jon@af]

To all the actors who feel it is there job to enlighten everyone out there on what they should think about this war: SCREW OFF. It pisses me off that the actors of hollywood feel it is their job to speak for the people who watch their films as if they have any bearing whatsoever on what their fans think.

[T4 Primera]

Just because someone is smarter doesn't make them right - or moral.

Being privvy to information doesn't make them right either - how they act on that information is what makes them right or wrong.

And an education does not a smart person make - it makes an educated person - there is a big difference.

The article smacks of Academic snobbery and falsely implies that the people who know more will always do the right thing.

And the article also implies that your right to an opinion is somehow related to your educational background.

[taranaki]

I agree with the premise that actors should stick to acting,but this piece of 'writing' is far too skewed to be considered factual.

Yes,George Bush was in the National Guard.Curiously,he never saw action,he went AWOL to campaign for his own self-interest.Funny how that never gets mentioned.Or that all of his buddies in the war room managed to worm their way out of Vietnam one way or another....

The rhetoric about Saddam is the same mix of assumptions half-truths and anti-dissenter crap that Republicans everywhere seem to believe is fact.

The sickening implication that if you are not a Republican you don't know what is going on and you are a liabilty to national security is about as wacko off-the-planet as anything I have seen so far.

Like I said, actors should stick to acting.And maybe Republicans should stick to facts that they can demonstrate to be true.I don't go with the "Trust George,his advisors see much more than you do"bullshit,if his intelligence was any good,he would have seen the WTC attack coming, found Bin Laden before the event, and been able to tell the UN inspectors EXACTLY where the alleged weapons were kept.

This kind of far right nationalism is not the work of patriots,it is the work of those who are desperate to justify that which is morally indefensible.War is the last stategy of a failed argument.There was no 'security' risk to the U.S.There may be now,but that is entirely the work of those who make bad decisions in the name of America.

[tomlong]

Yes you are right that just because some one is intelligent this does not imply they will do the right thing. I think Suddam is very smart and he never does the right thing. However if you are an intelligent person and you have good information(our CIA could tell us what you will have for breakfast tommorow if they needed to) proving that Saddam has chemical and biological weapons than you are making the right decision by destroying him and all that share his ideas.

[tomlong]

and been able to tell the UN inspectors EXACTLY where the alleged weapons were kept.

I mentioned this another post. Saddam's forces took video in the 80's of his men testing nerve gas on his own people. He killed hundreds of men women and children and than had the nerve to say it did not care what the international community thought. You actually believe he destroyed these weapons. Hell know they are probably stockpiled in an elementary school, hospital, or holy place. We would have let him stay in power if he would have came clean and destroyed his arsenal. You say he should have been able to stop the attacks on the world trade center. Well this is all part of trying to stop the next act of mass terrorism. Why did we find 2000 brand new chemical suits a hospital they were using as a stronghold? Why are Iraqi militants carrying gas masks? They know that they have these weapons, and they know that their leadership will use them. Find Bin Laden! You try to find one person somewhere in this world when they do not want to be found.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by tomlong


I mentioned this another post. Saddam's forces took video in the 80's of his men testing nerve gas on his own people. He killed hundreds of men women and children and than had the nerve to say it did not care what the international community thought. You actually believe he destroyed these weapons. Hell know they are probably stockpiled in an elementary school, hospital, or holy place. We would have let him stay in power if he would have came clean and destroyed his arsenal. You say he should have been able to stop the attacks on the world trade center. Well this is all part of trying to stop the next act of mass terrorism. Why did we find 2000 brand new chemical suits a hospital they were using as a stronghold? Why are Iraqi militants carrying gas masks? They know that they have these weapons, and they know that their leadership will use them. Find Bin Laden! You try to find one person somewhere in this world when they do not want to be found.

erm....you are implying that Saddam has had stockpiles of of these weapons for the last twenty-odd years,and yet your intelligence service can't find them.....If these weapons existed,the CIA would have been able to give the U.N.weapons inspectors precise map co-ordinates as to where to find them,if your statement "(our CIA could tell us what you will have for breakfast tommorow if they needed to) "is anywhere near the truth.

Finally,your comment on finding Bin Laden...If he had any oil,he'd have been found by now.

[tomlong]

You have still not answered the questions. Why did we find 2000 brand new chemical suits at one of their strongholds, and why do they carry gasmasks if they do not have chemical weapons. Do you carry around a lighter if you dont smoke?

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by tomlong
You have still not answered the questions. Why did we find 2000 brand new chemical suits at one of their strongholds, and why do they carry gasmasks if they do not have chemical weapons. Do you carry around a lighter if you dont smoke?

Well, the coalition forces carry chemsuits and gasmasks as well - ask yourself first.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by tomlong
You have still not answered the questions. Why did we find 2000 brand new chemical suits at one of their strongholds, and why do they carry gasmasks if they do not have chemical weapons. Do you carry around a lighter if you dont smoke?

Haven't seen those reports,must only be on the government propaganda stations that you prefer to trust.

[tomlong]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...hemical.suits/
http://www.wcfcourier.com/special/ir...icalsuits.html
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/27...hemsuits030327
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/nationa...chemicals.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0326/iraq.html
http://middleeastinfo.org/article2343.html


Here are many links. Now they have even found Chemical Antidotes

[taranaki]

presumably they are concerned about the possibility that the U.S.will use chemical weapons.After all the invasion forces are also equipped with chemical protection suits,etc,so by your logic, they must be planning to gas the Iraqis.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by taranaki
presumably they are concerned about the possibility that the U.S.will use chemical weapons.After all the invasion forces are also equipped with chemical protection suits,etc,so by your logic, they must be planning to gas the Iraqis.

Exactly- By saying the Iraqi's arew wrong in making these chemical suits is implying double standards- If the US use chemical suits- it highlights the danger that they plan on using Chemical weapons- and considering that nothing is gonig thier way at the moment- We can't rule out any possibilities

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by tomlong
Yes you are right that just because some one is intelligent this does not imply they will do the right thing. I think Suddam is very smart and he never does the right thing. However if you are an intelligent person and you have good information(our CIA could tell us what you will have for breakfast tommorow if they needed to) proving that Saddam has chemical and biological weapons than you are making the right decision by destroying him and all that share his ideas.

So if I could prove that the US had chemical or biological weapons would that justify an attack?

Your intelligence agencies unfortunately underestimated Saddam's combat readiness as well as the sentiment of the Iraqi people. Had they been right, Saddam would have been overthrown from within by now and the Iraqi people would be flocking to the aid of the coalition forces.

If you want to see what good intelligence looks like check out this post: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...487#post861487 And if you want to check it's validity, all you need to do is wait and see what happens.

[tomlong]

Bush is backed by 70% of the U.S. which equates to 196 million people in our country. We are going to take out the regime of Saddam. We will work with the U.N. to create a new government based on freedom and not terror. When this is all over and you come out from hiding under your rocks you will see that the Iraqi people will be dancing in the streets. They will finally know what freedom is all about and at that time they will prosper.