Attack of the killer bees!!!

DeViL · #1 03-28-2003, 10:22 PM

So I'm walking out of Long John Silvers when I see a white/black striped Nova leaving the parking lot. As I'm firing up the X when I notice a bunch of black cars dart off out of the parking lot, and I think pretty much all of them were Honda Accords and some Civics mixed in. I head down the street towards my home and I notice them at the stop light ahead. The light to turn into my neighborhood is green so I rush as fast as I can to make the light, to no avail of course

. So I'm next to the Nova and about 4 or 5 black Hondas surrounding it, the guy just looks at them and drives off at a normal pace (when light is green) while the Hondas decide to take off as fast as they can. A couple of them end up trying to cut the guy off in the Nova, I guess racing the other Hondas. I think one of the Accords was winning, all of them looked stock as could be. Kind of disappointing that the Nova didn't do anything he probably could of smoked them easily. Maybe they raced later on down the street or something.

Any you northern Va people seen this Nova around? I'm guessing he lives in Woodbridge I've seen it around here a couple times.

fatninja19 · #2 03-29-2003, 11:52 PM

But the killer bee didn't attack...

Self · #3 03-30-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by DeViL

Any you northern Va people seen this Nova around? I'm guessing he lives in Woodbridge I've seen it around here a couple times.

Never seen it myself...

DeViL · #4 03-30-2003, 10:03 AM

"But the killer bee didn't attack..."

I was talking about the Hondas. Ya know they make that waaaahhh sound and I guess its in higher rpms the engine starts sounding like a zzzzzzzzzzz sound like a bee. They looked like they were swarming that Nova trying to get him to play.

Polygon · #5 03-30-2003, 08:08 PM

LOL!!!!

That would have been great. What a bunch of dorks. They must be the SBH crew "Stock Black Hondas."

Damn tools need to get a life. Would have been sweet if that Nova decide to kill em'.

DeViL · #6 03-30-2003, 11:44 PM

I sure hope he did later on down the road I didn't follow them, was trying to get home.

Supra650RSP · #7 03-30-2003, 11:49 PM

We have a group here in this small Texas town that I go to school in and they call themselves the Honda cRew. They all are stock hondas or Acuras with the fastest being an Integra LS with a 100 shot of NOS and a can. I brought the Supra down here for a month one time and everyone was itching to race especially "the cRew". So the Integra and I played for 50 bucks...Easiest 50 bucks I've ever won.

BlkCamaroSS · #8 03-31-2003, 07:34 AM

Mind telling me where this Integra owner lives, I need some cash, lol

HiFlow5 0 · #9 03-31-2003, 08:05 AM

See the Nova guy had it right! He has a fast car, knows he can go fast, so why does he need to prove to a bunch of Joe Smoe's that he's fast. It's the chumps that drive like a batt-out-of-hell, that try to act fast, but actually have nothing more then an overly inflated ego.

Supra650RSP · #10 03-31-2003, 10:19 AM

Ya, come to Sherman, Texas. I swear, lots of rice, little sense. Your SS will find plenty of races here.

DeViL · #11 03-31-2003, 12:34 PM

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So the Integra and I played for 50 bucks...Easiest 50 bucks I've ever won.

lol!!!

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See the Nova guy had it right! He has a fast car, knows he can go fast, so why does he need to prove to a bunch of Joe Smoe's that he's fast

I would of smoked them just for the sheer hell of them knowing their car isn't even close. I'm starting to wonder if they were friends with him or not I mean come on its a Nova you should at least know its a V8. You're not going to beat a Nova with a stock Honda Accord. Maybe some people don't have common sense.

carrrnuttt · #12 03-31-2003, 01:04 PM

Was the Nova stock? If it was modified, that'll be a different story. But stock, according to this, the best it runs is a mid-16. A stock Civic DX, can run that. Not starting anything, but just putting things in perspective. I am not trying to magazine race either, because I have a beat a mildly-modified Nova (mildly, as in just exhaust and some other tweaks) before when I had a 1990 Integra with a modified b16. It wasn't even close.

What's above is more to nullify this statement:

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Originally posted by DeViL

I would of smoked them just for the sheer hell of them knowing their car isn't even close. I'm starting to wonder if they were friends with him or not I mean come on its a Nova you should at least know its a V8. You're not going to beat a Nova with a stock Honda Accord. Maybe some people don't have common sense.

...since that was a 4-banger I beat the Nova in. BTW, all I had was i/h/e at the time.

P.S. A stock Accord 4-banger is capable of 16's too. The V6s can hit 15's. Remember, this is stock VS. stock, since we know the American iron would be more responsive to mods.

V8 doesn't necessarily mean = fast.

BlkCamaroSS · #13 03-31-2003, 01:43 PM

Yup, I know exactly where that is. I used to live in Plano. I'm just hoping that with spring here, or around the corner, that there may be a few more cars for me to race around here

HiFlow5 0 · #14 03-31-2003, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Was the Nova stock? If it was modified, that'll be a different story. But stock, according to this, the best it runs is a mid-16. A stock Civic DX, can run that. Not starting anything, but just putting things in perspective. I am not trying to magazine race either, because I have a beat a mildly-modified Nova (mildly, as in just exhaust and some other tweaks) before when I had a 1990 Integra with a modified b16. It wasn't even close.

What's above is more to nullify this statement:

...since that was a 4-banger I beat the Nova in. BTW, all I had was i/h/e at the time.

P.S. A stock Accord 4-banger is capable of 16's too. The V6s can hit 15's. Remember, this is stock VS. stock, since we know the American iron would be more responsive to mods.

V8 doesn't necessarily mean = fast.

You have to remember the age difference now. Technology has come a LONG way since the 70's. Small motors have the ability to put down some decent power now, plus the fact that the suspensions are nothing like they use to be. So comparing a new more high tech small CI motor to an old not as advanced Big CI motor is like apples to oranges. Another thing to think about, when was the last time you saw a stock Nova? Everyone I know has restored them with far more mods then I can list, that's pretty much what happens with the classic muscle cars these days. No flames intended, just to nullify your nullify.

Cbass · #15 03-31-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by HiFlow5 0

You have to remember the age difference now. Technology has come a LONG way since the 70's. Small motors have the ability to put down some decent power now, plus the fact that the suspensions are nothing like they use to be. So comparing a new more high tech small CI motor to an old not as advanced Big CI motor is like apples to oranges. Another thing to think about, when was the last time you saw a stock Nova? Everyone I know has restored them with far more mods then I can list, that's pretty much what happens with the classic muscle cars these days. No flames intended, just to nullify your nullify.

I think people put too much emphasis on technology. A naturally aspirated S2000 engine makes 120bhp/liter, and 75lbft/liter, at 12:1 compression. A naturally aspirated smallblock V8 with 12:1 compression can make 75lbft/liter also. Don't misunderstand, DOHC valvetrain and EFI are major advantages, but they just make engines more efficient. I have a basic thing I tell to people about building engines, you have 4 main variables which will affect your power output.

Displacement vs Efficiency vs Fuel vs Engine Speed.

The S2000 is about as efficient as you can make a naturally aspirated engine for the street, without losing all your low end torque. It has 12:1 compression, and will require very high octane fuel. It has a 9000 RPM redline, and VTEC helps it keep dual torque bands, allowing for low end, as well as a very high rpm torque band, which allows it to make peak power near it's redline. Great engine, except it's still only 2 liters. If you were to raise the octane to 110, and retune the engine with 14:1 compression, you would be able to get even more power out of it, because you have altered the variable of octane. If you tack on another 2 cylinders ala S2000R, and give it another liter of displacement, you've altered the variable for displacement.

You get the picture

Now imagine an 8.3 liter stroker big block. It's pushrod, can't spin faster than 6000rpm, but it doesn't have to. With 9:1 compression, a streetable cam, good for 2000-5500 RPM power, and good old fashioned 2 valve per cylinder heads, it's going to make an easy 500hp, and it'll do it on cheaper gas too. The Honda has it beat on efficiency, octane, and engine speed, but the displacement is such a massive advantage that the Honda engine can't compare.

Also, there is no reason you can't combine the two. Porsche made a 5.4 liter DOHC V8 for the 928 GTS, Chevrolet made the ZR1 Corvette with the DOHC EFI LT5 V8, Ford is still making the DOHC Cobra V8.

Technology just makes the engine more efficient, and allows it to spin faster. The fact of the matter is though, those variables are not nearly as important as displacement.

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