Syria next?

[taranaki]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

Looks like this war will spread further afield very quickly.

[1985_BMW318i]

Only if they get in our way

[taranaki]

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
Only if they get in our way

So that's more or less definite then, I suppose.no pretence of seeking the support of the rest of the world first,just the good old'they're evil,we're not' double lie......

[1985_BMW318i]

Syria has long been an established harborer of terrorist and has supported terrorism for many years.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
Syria has long been an established harborer of terrorist and has supported terrorism for many years.

So it's definitely on then.The U.S. has the right to kill a shitload of their civilians too,Iguess.

[1985_BMW318i]

I never said it was on. I said if they get in our way or continue to supply Iraq, I'd much rather get this conflict overwith. The sooner we liberate Iraq the sooner the neighboring countries will straighten out and exist peacefully with each other. I'm willing to bet once Iraq has a democratic form of government the sooner the others will follow suit. More then likely a few civil wars will take place in those other countries

[taranaki]

There you go with that 'liberate' nonsense again.The people that you are claiming to liberate are shooting at you.Your army is killing them in droves.Saddam can't possibly be holding a gun to the heads of all their families[another favourite piece of nonsense propaganda],the sooner the U.S.imposes a puppet government,the sooner they get control of the oil revenues.Let's face it,the U.S. has already started awarding contracts to American corporates to manage Irqi facilities,the port of Basra is now in the hands of an American management company.When the troops have finished smashing up the country,and the dictators in charge are those approved by the White House,America stands to make a fortune in rebuilding Iraq.

[1985_BMW318i]

You seem to believe it is all propoganda. Like I've stated elsewhere in these forums, I've been over there. They do want liberation but alot are scared we'll pull out like the last time. And alot of those "so called civilians" are shooting at the coalition forces because they are highly trained militia under several different names.

[taranaki]

Sorry,but soldiers get subjected to more propaganda than anybody else.They get taught to obey orders without question,to accept information from their superiors as the undeniable truth,and that the objective is the only thing that matters.

The fact that you have been an employee of the army rather compromises your impartiality.I've served in a war zone myself and I know that a lot of what the public gets told is nothing like the truth.War is a dirty business,and the reasons given for war usually mask an alterior motive.

[1985_BMW318i]

Well slight correction, It was in the USAF, When I said I've been there I mean physically in that country and have witnessed first hand what actually goes on.

[rsxer45]

Maybe Iran next too

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...mi_ea/war_iran

[Jimster]

Originally posted by rsxer45
Maybe Iran next too

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...mi_ea/war_iran

This is getting out of had- Bush is letting power go right to his head- his power is all he has got in between his ears- If Bush decides to attack Syria and Iran- then it is going to look like a Crusade- which will cause the Muslims to get angry at the USA.


And yes Soldiers are subject to non-stop propoganda- I mean if the truth is not twisted- then soldiers are going to start thinking that something is up-- and not fight. So really Bush is no better than Hitler or General Togo

[T4 Primera]

Originally posted by 1985_BMW318i
Well slight correction, It was in the USAF, When I said I've been there I mean physically in that country and have witnessed first hand what actually goes on.

What was your role in the USAF? I'm just wondering what altitude you were at when you witnessed these things first hand.

[personal prejudice mode on]
Based on my experience and those of my father, AF personnel are always the most willing to talk about combat situations. By stark contrast, those who were on the ground trading ammunition and actually being in the presence of those they were killing hardly talk about it at all.
[personal prejudice mode off]

[objective mode on]
I'll concede that the people probably want liberation, but I doubt that they will be grateful. Here's why:

Due to the imbalance in military power, the Iraqi forces are by necessity drawing the coalition into guerilla warfare. This leaves the coalition only 2 options of taking control of metropolitan centres: seige the city and starve them out; or flatten it.

If they siege, the civilian casualties will be cause for great anger and resentment amongst the Iraqi people. If they flatten the city, assuming the civilian casualties are not in the equation, then these people will see their homes and lives destroyed.

Furthermore, if the coalition forces are still using depleted uranium tipped munitions (as they have done in all recnt conflicts), flattening the city will basically poison the environment. Any city rebuilt upon the ruins will have a population sick with the effects of depleted uranium.

It is hard to see how the coalition will win the hearts and minds of the people given this scenario.
[objective mode still on ]

[tomlong]

I guess you have not seen the videos taken in the 80's of Saddam's top general(cousin) gassing hundreds of his own people to see how well the stuff worked. THey killed many men, women, and children. He had these things in the eighties and you believe he destroyed them. That makes you as intelligent as a pear. Think about this! Saddam tried to build a Nuclear reactor in the 70's ad 80's with the French help. He said it was because they were interested in experimenting with alternative fuel sources. Like Iraq needs an alternative fuel source since they have trillions of gallons of oil they produce yearly. Well lucky the Isrealis took it upon themselves to destroy this before he developed enriched plutonium. A few years later a top scientist of his defected and admitted that the only reason Saddam wanted that reactor built was to make bombs.

I believe that the majority of Iraqi citizens would like a life of freedom. Knowing that they are not going to be killed for there political views like many Iraqi civilians have been. You say the port of Bosra is being run my an american management company. First of all the port is not in Bosra, second of all the people who worked at this port are now making twice as much money as they were before which allows them to provide themselves and their familes with more material things which are in turn bought from a company in their country which hires many people who will make more money and buy more products from other companies who emply many other people. This is what we call free economy. Eventually most people wont be living in huts eating whatever they can find. Instead they will have the opportunities that every other free person in this world has. This is why so many have come to our country as well as other countries throughout the world so they can have these things.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by tomlong


I believe that the majority of Iraqi citizens would like a life of freedom. Knowing that they are not going to be killed for there political views like many Iraqi civilians have been.

Hmmm...dismissed the first paragraph,nothing new there.Same old stuff about Saddam building nasty nuclear weapons.Iagree that nukes are bad,and as soon as the Pentagon disposes of its stockpiles of these weapons,Imight view some of their drivel about other nations having them as something other than rank hipocrisy.If they are bad,it follows that those who have the biggest stocks are the worst offenders.PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THAT THEY ARE SAFER IN THE HANDS OF GEORGE BUSH.The man is flaky.He's already threatened to use them on Bagdhad.

As for your arguments about the Port of Basra,you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

You say the port of Bosra is being run my an american management company. First of all the port is not in Bosra, second of all the people who worked at this port are now making twice as much money as they were before which allows them to provide themselves and their familes with more material things which are in turn....[etc]

Horseshit. American Stevedoring hasn't even arrived to take up the contract yet.

If you don't have facts, don't bullshit.It makes you look,to use your own term,as intelligent as a pear.