The Official Barack Obama Discussion Thread

[VR43000GT]

With a new president coming into office in just a few days, I believe a thread is in order to discuss Barack Obama issues on both sides. With other threads starting to go off-topic this can be an appropriate place to discuss whatever likes, dislikes, news updates, etc. about Barack Obama, his new implemented policies, etc.


As for when drunken_monkey spoke about flip-flopping and changing you mind I would say there IS a difference. When you are trying to gain as much popularity as you can over a short period of time by promising countless agendas and then retract some of them after sealing the deal I would say that is either being dishonest or flip-flopping. Kind of convenient that he never spoke of all the things he (nor most any other politician) couldn't do as president upon trying to gain votes.

[03cavPA]

For that matter, why does anyone expect any politician to keep his promises? If anybody thought BO was going to be able to fix what's wrong with the world, they've been living under a rock for the past few years.

To be fair, things have gotten to the point where people are grasping at straws for improvement. He knew what to say and whom to say it to. It wasn't rocket science.

Now, where is all this "stimulus" money going to come from? Hyperinflation, anyone?

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

As for when drunken_monkey spoke about flip-flopping and changing you mind I would say there IS a difference. When you are trying to gain as much popularity as you can over a short period of time by promising countless agendas and then retract some of them after sealing the deal I would say that is either being dishonest or flip-flopping. Kind of convenient that he never spoke of all the things he (nor most any other politician) couldn't do as president upon trying to gain votes.

But it is his fault that it appears this is how to "work" politics in your country?
It's akin to the UK Conservative Party showing a sudden position of being against the new runway at Heathrow; pandering to a sector of the voting populace.

But again, what things since the election has he said he now cannot do?
Were those things originally said before or after the Economic Crisis (sorry for the use of such a label)?

[VR43000GT]

I am off to work so I will make this brief, but will be on later. One major thing Obama has admitted is that his stimulis plan won't work after his ongoing promises of getting the country out of debt. I believe in his words he said something about how even if his stimulus plan went into affect we would still be trillions of dollars in deficit for years to come. I can already see the "change we can all believe in."

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

I am off to work so I will make this brief, but will be on later. One major thing Obama has admitted is that his stimulis plan won't work after his ongoing promises of getting the country out of debt.

Link stating that Obama doesn't think his stimulus plan will work please!

I believe in his words he said something about how even if his stimulus plan went into affect we would still be trillions of dollars in deficit for years to come. I can already see the "change we can all believe in."

Of course we will still be trillions of dollars in debt. We already are thanks to your outgoing administration. Pretty much every economist in existence agrees the only way to pull ourselves out of this mess is to spend our way out. Without a huge economic stimulus, unemployment continues to rise and tax revenues and consumer spending decrease still further in a self-perpetuating cycle that would cripple the economy. This will be a long, hard, road, and Obama's main task at the moment is to jump-start the economy. Once things are moving again, it will then be his job to balance the budget and start reducing our deficit, as he has stated on several occasions. McCain would have been in the exact same position saying the exact same things had he been elected, so I really don't see what the knee-jerk partisan reaction is all about.

[03cavPA]

If BO can't put together a decent stimulus package the way he wants it, he'll have his own party to blame as much as anything. The GOP will be the least of his worries.

There is a massive deficit. Wall street greed and corrupt lending practices tanked the world economy. Congress gave them 350 billion and they can't/won't tell us where it all went, but it didn't help consumer confidence/spending one single bit. Unemployment is rising; no one is buying much, so there's no need for new goods or services.

Obama (to be fair, it would be anyone else who got elected, for that matter) wants to give us a huge stimulus package while also implementing a tax cut.

Let's see, collect less taxes, spend massive amounts of money the government doesn't have, and our problems are solved.

The dollar will be worth less (worthless?) and I'll be expected to go out and spend what I do have on useless consumer items to "help the economy".

opcorn:

[VR43000GT]

Here is one chunk of it. Agian, I am on the run here so be patient with me.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/risky-bu...wont-work.html

Luckly people like Bartlett are there to give criticism so that they can tell our president who greatly lacks in experience that it would have been a trillion dollar+ mistake.

Edit:

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

Obama (to be fair, it would be anyone else who got elected, for that matter) wants to give us a huge stimulus package while also implementing a tax cut.

Let's see, collect less taxes, spend massive amounts of money the government doesn't have, and our problems are solved.


opcorn:

Just like the kids in the classroom with the icecream story. Promise a bunch of great things upon being elected without explaining how you will pay for them.

[drunken monkey]

the immediate question that comes to mind is what McCain (or indeed, any other potential presidency candidate) could/would do that would be so different and/or more effective?

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by thrasher

Of course we will still be trillions of dollars in debt. We already are thanks to your outgoing administration.

...You mean the Democratic controlled Congress?

Originally Posted by thrasher

McCain would have been in the exact same position saying the exact same things had he been elected, so I really don't see what the knee-jerk partisan reaction is all about.

There's a hell of a lot of stuff coming out of Osama's mouth that you would never hear come from McCain.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by garthlaidher

...You mean the Democratic controlled Congress?

No, I mean the Republican administration and Congress spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year in Iraq. You think taxpayers are footing that bill? Not a chance.

There's a hell of a lot of stuff coming out of Osama's mouth that you would never hear come from McCain.

Please show, with specifics, how McCain would be handling the situation differently with regards to the economic stimulus. Don't forget to touch on the fact that the vast majority of political figures and economists (conservative and liberal) agree that a massive stimulus plan is necessary.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Randy Marsh

Ugh, Goddamnit! Obama said things would be different! That son of a bitch lied to us! I knew I should have voted for McCain!

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by thrasher

No, I mean the Republican administration and Congress spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year in Iraq. You think taxpayers are footing that bill? Not a chance.

Why, yes, we ALL know that the Democrats staunchly opposed that war and not a single one of them voted for it. The incoming Madam Sec. of State springs readily to mind here.

Look, many have ranted and raved about how Clinton couldn't be cited for some of the things that Bush had to deal with. What will you now say when the Obama camp says, "it's not our fault, that other guy did it"?

I'm not going to go that far and play that game, because there's no way ANY incoming president can fix this (sorry, I think it's too far gone, time to circle the wagons), but BO was part of a senate that had a hand in running things under GW's watch.

[kris]

Originally Posted by garthlaidher

...You mean the Democratic controlled Congress?


There's a hell of a lot of stuff coming out of Osama's mouth that you would never hear come from McCain.

Please keep your posts pertaining to this topic. From my take on this, you are taking the thread off topic by referring to someone other than the POTUSE.

Consider this warning number one.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

.... but BO was part of a senate that had a hand in running things under GW's watch.

"...and the Senator from Illinois? Your vote sir?"
BO: "Present."

McCain would NOT be attacking any corporations in such a way as to drive them further offshore with their business. "Gee let's make it harder for them to do business here so they have to open factories in India, Mexico, Canada....or elsewhere."

While McCain isn't the most conservative person in Washington.....he is FAR from the Marxist that is to sit in the Whitehouse for the next 4 years.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by garthlaidher

"...and the Senator from Illinois? Your vote sir?"
BO: "Present."

And what about McCain having missed more votes than any other senator?
What is worse, voting "present" or missing votes?

You say that you don't want anything to do with Obama in another thread. What does that mean?
Are you now going to emmigrate because he will be running the USA?