How the UN should work

[inferno]

Please feel free to comment on how the UN should work and react to situations such as the Iraqi conflict. Of course military action would be the last course of action, but should be included as it is neccessary in some extreme cases. I would also like suggestions on how the security council can be improved and made to be more fair and represent all continents. This is not a thread to bash the UN or any of its members....this is for serious ideas/suggestions that will make the UN work better.

[inferno]

With the amount of UN advocates that come in here, I am surprised that there are no posts in this thread as of yet. Don't make me stick this so it stays on top.

Respond people!!!! This includes people who aren't in support of the current way that the UN "conducts diplomacy."

[1985_BMW318i]

I think the most needed change in the UN is a set of rules that if they make a resolution all countries should back it up instead of letting it slide like the UN has done so many times before with all the resolutions they have passed against Iraq

[PoisonFangs]

I concur, i belive that the UN should set strong guidelines to protect the nations of the world and not just let people like Saddam get passed. I Belive that this war is a nessasary evil and i support our troops and president 100%. I was only a young kid when we were fighting Iraq the first time with bushes father and i belive that George W. was put in the position he is to clean up the job that his father set out to do

[inferno]

Two of the biggest advocates for the UN have somehow not seen this thread although they have posted in this room since I created it....maybe I do need to stick this at the top.........

[Jimster]

Th UN works fine the way ti is- if people supported every resolution what would be the point of even HAVING a meeting??? however- More money has to be put into thier peace keeping force and humanitarian missions

[taranaki]

Originally posted by inferno
Two of the biggest advocates for the UN have somehow not seen this thread although they have posted in this room since I created it....maybe I do need to stick this at the top.........

Presumably you are referring to me...

Having listened to the misguided dribblings of the gun-loving,anti-democratic racist twerps in this forum for the last few months,I've come to the conclusion that there are some here who will not be satisfied until every world leader who disagrees with George Bush has either been forced to surrender his country,or been blown to pieces.

The U.N. is not the perfect solution,there are always going to be countries with vested interests who choose to make things difficult,and I believe that the power of veto has been abused far too often for it to be retained in its present form.In an ideal world,facts would be gathered quickly,options would be discussed in a level-headed and non-partisan manner,and resolutions would be backed and enforced by the whole community.

Unfortunately,we live in an imperfect world.Countries stand to gain or lose billions of dollars on the outcome of this war,so naturally,this tends to colour their way of thinking.Governments stand to thrive or fall on their citizens' reaction to their actions in this war,and there are deep divisions as to wether this war needs to be fought,and why.

The role of the U.N. in all of this is to try and moderate the extremists on both sides,and pull them closer to the consensus in the middle.Of course when you are dealing with someone who is hell-bent on killing as many of his enemies as possible,it gets a bit tricky.......


.....But hopefully Bush will not be in power for much longer.

[1985_BMW318i]

.....But hopefully Bush will not be in power for much longer.

Naki once again you single out one person. Since your not American and you do NOT live here do not presume to understand our President. He was legally elected and almost a year after that election when votes were retallied he still won the election. With that said he is our leader and considered the leader of the free world by many. See if it were not for the US there would not be democracy in the majority of countries that now enjoy it. Yes our military has sacrificed so many that others may enjoy what we do. France at one time assisted us at the ending of the revolution, The very end I might add, England since the beginning of the last century has been our staunchest Ally, Germany depending on their mood and occassional leaders

[inferno]

Originally posted by Jimster
Th UN works fine the way ti is- if people supported every resolution what would be the point of even HAVING a meeting??? however- More money has to be put into thier peace keeping force and humanitarian missions

Of course not everyone is going to support every resolution. To think that would be silly. But there needs to be a vote on things instead of delays and of course the current veto systems has to go.

[inferno]

taranaki, please stop turning every post of yours into a Bush bash. Try to stick to the subject of the original post. I am starting to think that your personal dislike of Bush has clouded your vision on all of the subjects that we have discussed in this forum.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by inferno


current veto systems has to go.

agreed- There has to be a vote amongst the 150-odd member states- having 5 countries with differet objectives is ludicrous for a supposed "world organisation"

[1985_BMW318i]

I believe there is alot of discussion going on in the UN as we talk about them right now anyways. With current affairs the way they are they should be able to see the limited effect they actually have. As a former UN peacekeeper I will state that I never supported what they subjected me to or their self commisioned authority. The oath I had sworn was to my country and my president. If I had it all to do again I'd have rather spent that 9 months in a federal prison then supporting a UN mandated sanction that my fellow US taxpayers had the majority of the financial burden then any other country. I say to hell with the UN as it currently stands. If it does change for the better then I am all for it

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by inferno
taranaki, please stop turning every post of yours into a Bush bash. Try to stick to the subject of the original post. I am starting to think that your personal dislike of Bush has clouded your vision on all of the subjects that we have discussed in this forum.

Its all the left wing communist zelots know how to do.

[Cbass]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Its all the left wing communist zelots know how to do.

By that you mean anyone who disagrees with you?

So I'm a left wing communist anti-American zealot who hates freedom?

As for the UN, my opinion is the US should respect the UN and follow their better judgement, instead of fighting it. I'm not trying to turn this thread around about the US, but they are the largest obstacle to the effectiveness of the UN, IMO.

So far, the only nations that have defied the UN routinely are Iraq, North Korea and Israel... do you really enjoy seeing the US lumped in with that lot?

[1985_BMW318i]

Cbass I believe you are greatly misguided. The UN cannot exist without the US. The US by far has been the largest single contributer overall to the UN. The UN is wrong in its stance on this war. While War should always be the last resort sometimes it MUST happen. I've been in combat and I know how hard it is to deal with personal feelings when you know that you are taking another humans life but you have to look at the bigger picture. Saddam must go and unfortunately this is the only way to rid the world of him. I cannot understand those that take such a stance when they have not seen the horrors of war up close and personal. What the media shows is but a small glimpse of what actually takes place. My father, grandfather, great grandfather were all milatary men and every single one of them saw combat. Now my nephew takes up because my sons are still to young to do this. I've seen action in two seperate conflicts. I was the one that pulled the trigger. It will put a lump in the throat of any man. But you must remember that freedom and liberty for all comes with a cost