George Bush makes a good speech on the Iraq crisis.

taranaki · #1 03-11-2003, 03:00 PM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...605441,00.html

George Bush Snr,that is.

1985_BMW318i · #2 03-11-2003, 03:09 PM

Interesting reading

taranaki · #3 03-12-2003, 02:53 PM

Nobody care to debate in this thread?

1985_BMW318i · #4 03-12-2003, 04:29 PM

Nope not I said the liar LOL. Well press being what it is. I read between the lines.

taranaki · #5 03-12-2003, 04:53 PM

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Nope not I said the liar LOL. Well press being what it is. I read between the lines.

I like to read between the lines too..........

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Well press being what it is.....

When Isee a piece of journalism that I don't like.............

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......... I read between the lines.

...........I pretend it never happened.

Unless,of course,you can back up your implication that it's all a spin by the press?Perhaps you can find an article by George Bush Snr. denying that he said it?Don't think so.

Pretty piss poor when the President can't even get his old man to back him.Could perhaps be because on this occasion GWB has got it hopelessly wrong.

Cbass · #6 03-12-2003, 04:56 PM

Hmm, very interesting indeed.

Just a little speculation on my part, of which there is a wealth of information to support, but no direct proof of course, which is why it's just speculation

It seems that since the Gulf war, the US has been attempting to keep Iraq weak, what with strongarming those resolutions through in the UN, and regular bombings of Iraqi civil infrastructure.

I have been of the opinion that the US was going to go after Iraq since the mid 90s, when the Republican hawks, such as Perle and Rumsfeld were pushing for war. In case you haven't noticed, they are the same Republicans in power now.

My thinking is, this may go back to the Reagan years, or possibly further. Since the oil crisis' of the '70s, the US has been very interested in securing oil reserves, although in the past they have only used diplomacy and covert action.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but it looks like we have all the makings of a conspiracy to secure a large amount of oil, and it looks like Dubya is pushing just a little to hard for his fathers liking. Sort of a "don't screw this up, son!" tone.

Also interesting to note, they referred to Dubya as "Junior", which I have never seen in the US media before. I think the White House PR team have made it clear not to call him Junior...

taranaki · #7 03-12-2003, 05:07 PM

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I think the White House PR team have made it clear not to call him Junior...

The White house PR team is losing credibility with the press.The days when journalists could be 'cut out of the loop' for failing to print only the approved stories are over.I'm sure the White House would have been much happier if this story had not been told.What name you put on a guy who can't even raise the support of his family is not really the issue,but is interesting to see the press losing respect for the most powerful man on the planet.Perhaps they realise that he's past his 'use-by date'.

1985_BMW318i · #8 03-12-2003, 10:19 PM

I think we'll all find out what his measure is worth within 14 days...Nuff said!

taranaki · #9 03-13-2003, 05:31 PM

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I think we'll all find out what his measure is worth within 14 days...Nuff said!

Yes indeed.Aggressor,invader,war criminal and tyrant all come to mind....nuff said

Darth Cypher · #10 03-13-2003, 10:12 PM

Riiiiight.

Cbass · #11 03-14-2003, 06:28 PM

I suppose those Afghani prisoners resting in Cuba don't count as prisoners of war, so they can't try Bush for war crimes

Darth Cypher · #12 03-14-2003, 08:40 PM

Ah, you mean the ones that were caught firing on the soldiers and all that right? Please don't tell me that you think all those prisoners we have locked up in Cuba are innocents or something.

taranaki · #13 03-14-2003, 09:29 PM

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Ah, you mean the ones that were caught firing on the soldiers and all that right? Please don't tell me that you think all those prisoners we have locked up in Cuba are innocents or something.

Ithought that the one of the main principles of justice was a trial of some sort?Isn't one of the main complaints about Saddam that he detains his opponents without trial?Frankly,until you have proven them to be guilty of an offence in a court of law,then yes,they are innocent.

Pick · #14 03-15-2003, 02:55 PM

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Ithought that the one of the main principles of justice was a trial of some sort?Isn't one of the main complaints about Saddam that he detains his opponents without trial?Frankly,until you have proven them to be guilty of an offence in a court of law,then yes,they are innocent.

Its not Amercian law, buddy. They are POW and tried to kill Americans, so they will be treated as they should be, as terrorists. You see, America is the only counry where innocent til proven guilty really matters. In international law, nobody cares.

taranaki · #15 03-15-2003, 03:15 PM

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Its not Amercian law, buddy. They are POW and tried to kill Americans, so they will be treated as they should be, as terrorists. You see, America is the only counry where innocent til proven guilty really matters.

Welcome to the board.

Your statement about "America being the only country where innocent til proven guilty really matters. " Is ignorant codswallop.If you took the trouble to look into the legislature of most Western countries,you would find it to exist in almost all of them.Perhaps that is why most European and other democratic nations are opposed to George Bush's war.So far he has failed completely to prove that Saddam Hussien is a threat to any other nation.

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