# 021 (red) F1 in Singapore temporarily

GTI WR6 · #1 05-26-2008, 06:50 AM

"A forumer from Ferrarichat told me that it is #21 and he have the pics of it but do not want to send it to me. They kept/keep the car there temporarily for a client"

from a singapore member in sgforums.

It is at Malayan Motors (Singapore Jag and Bentley dealer), the same place which has #065 and just recently sold #018.

Does anyone have any pics or info about #021?

Thanks.

GTI WR6 · #2 05-26-2008, 07:11 AM

So, I asked him who this member is from ferrarichat.

this is his reply.

"His nick is Pelaton25 and if I'm not wrong he worked with Mclaren before and he was a mechanic at Brunei in 1998(if i'm not wrong again) The F1 here in Malayan motors is either #21 or #4. He once told me this. I almost forgotten."

So Eric, apparently you've got the pics of the Malayan motors mclaren?

GTI WR6 · #3 05-26-2008, 09:22 AM

I just found out that you can't share the pics with anyone...

hurstg01 · #4 05-26-2008, 09:51 AM

Erik worked at Mclaren? Was a mechanic in Brunei?

I'll let him answer those....

The rumour re the Red F1 has been around on here for a while and was off here too

We believe these pics are of #021, but no chassis plate shots to verify the educated guesses

GTI WR6 · #5 05-26-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hurstg01

Erik worked at Mclaren? Was a mechanic in Brunei?

I'll let him answer those....

The rumour re the Red F1 has been around on here for a while and was off here too

We believe these pics are of #021, but no chassis plate shots to verify the educated guesses

cheers! where are those pics taken, if I may ask?

hurstg01 · #6 05-26-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GTI WR6

cheers! where are those pics taken, if I may ask?

At the Park Lane showroom when it was open

GTI WR6 · #7 05-26-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hurstg01

At the Park Lane showroom when it was open

I was just going to say that. There's a porsche showroom now where its written Mansour Ca(rpets)?

GTI WR6 · #8 05-26-2008, 10:05 AM

are you sure its not ex Cliff Meltzer McLaren F1 #28?

Peloton25 · #9 05-26-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hurstg01

Erik worked at Mclaren? Was a mechanic in Brunei?

I'll let him answer those....

Yeah - funny stuff.

This person is definitely a little confuzzled and I'm truly not sure why. I can assure you that although I'd love for those statements to be true, they are not. Also I've never made the claim of either one so I really don't know where they came up with that. There are some individuals on FChat who can legitimately make those claims and have participated in the very long and detailed Brunei thread, but I am not one of them.

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Originally Posted by GTI WR6

So Eric, apparently you've got the pics of the Malayan motors mclaren?

I do indeed have four pictures of the car, but am unable to share them publicly. I commented on them here once before by saying:

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The car is at Malayan Motors and I do believe it's parked next to the XJ220. It is covered like the XJ220 and like chassis #068 that I saw, still has the travel lugs fitted. I wish I could share the photos I have seen, but they don't offer much more detail. There was no shot of the chassis plate or even the interior unfortunately.

I believe the chassis number has not yet been confirmed and that it could either be #004 or #021.

I made additional comments about the car and the photos in the Brunei thread on F-Chat. I'll copy those posts over to here using some editorial liberties with the sequence they occured so that the discussion makes more sense. The discussion was initially sparked by this comment:

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Originally Posted by FerrariChat Brunei Thread

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Originally Posted by MoNd3sTo7

In the early 90 i remember i saw a red colour McLarens F1 on the highway in Brunei.. The car is fast like no limits.. F40 and F355 like nothing compare with McLarens...

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

That should have been chassis #004 in Brunei. Congrats on the sighting and thanks for sharing!

I happen to believe this car may be the red F1 seen at Malayan Motors in Singapore now, but it could just as well be chassis #021 leaving #004 still languishing in Brunei. We'll find out eventually I guess - we usually do.

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Originally Posted by basman007

Did I miss something? #004 in Brunei, first time I read this :-?

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

This is the second time I had heard of a red F1 there, and #004 seems most logical to me, but it was not on the list provided from garage #5 of course. Anyway, whatever the chassis number, I think the F1 at Malayan Motors was the red F1 seen in Brunei.

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Originally Posted by basman007

Or one of the cars got a new paintjob... Allthough you'd think that would have surfaced earlier if that was the case..

Maybe the guys that have been there would like to comment?

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Originally Posted by afiqmeister

wow.....i don't know malayan motors had a mac f1.....is it still there or is it a couple of years ago...any pics of the car....and is malayan motors like hong seh ?....helping the sultan importing cars

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Originally Posted by basman007

The red F1 is kept hidden at Malayan Motors and there are no pics. They kept/keep the car there temporarily for a client.

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

I have heard the car is in long term storage there alongside the XJ220 owned by the same person. I've seen pics of the F1, but am not able to share them unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by afiqmeister

yes ......i knew it there was an xj220 in there.....i saw the pics somewhere.....but i had forgotten....who is the person owning those 2 cars and why are them in malayan motors ?.....is the pic of the f1 you saw inside malayan motors ?....damn it.....i really wanted to see it.....where did you see it ?

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Originally Posted by basman007

The person I talked to didn't want to disclose a name because of privacy reasons.

Last time I talked about these cars they were at the Bentley dealership (I don't know if Malayan has multiple dealerships) and I tihnk close to the offices.

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

I do not have any details on the owner of the pair or why the cars are kept there. The pics I saw of the F1 came to me via email from a generous source who asked that I not share them which is a request I regularly respect though I always wish I didn't have to. The car appeared to be in an outside parking area under a cover that had been pulled off to allow some quick pictures. They were taken with a cellphone camera and the quality is somewhat poor unfortunately. I was told they were taken at MM, but there is nothing in the pics that allows me to confirm that.

I have only been told an XJ220 is there, and while I believe the source and other reports, I have not seen or requested to see the evidence of that myself. I can say that the car next to the F1 under a cover has a roofline similar to what you'd find on an XJ220 so it seems likely.

If you are local, why not pay them a visit?

Note - following that comment, basman was kind enough to remind me that photos of the XJ220 had been shared publicly.

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Originally Posted by afiqmeister

not as easy as you say my friend....i went to the lambo showroom before.....they do not let me enter the workshop....it is only for owners.....as for auto kultur....i gave them a call and they do not allow me to come cos there are so many people who go there and take pics.....without buying the cars....as for hong seh....they are very strict....i mean very.....they would not sell ferraris to people who have won the lottery and wanted to buy them....about the brunei cars in there.....they would not let us to enter the "secret vault"....and as for malayan motors....i would try to approach them one day....and try my luck...

PS: bro....if you are very very very kind enough.....would you mind to send me those pics via e-mail...well i am asking for your permission first....if you allow...then i will PM you my hotmail.....to me the pic is for car enthusiats to appreciate it....not to tell rumours to people

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Originally Posted by Peloton25

That's a shame - sounds like other people have ruined it for everyone else. It's not like taking a picture steals a car's soul or something...

I am certainly kind enough to share [the pictures], but that's not really the issue. I was asked very kindly when the pics were sent to me not to share them with anyone else and always respect those requests. While I personally believe in the free exchange of info whenever possible, I am limited by my sources sometimes and don't want to jeopardize anyone's access by sharing something when I've been asked not to.

As I told basman last night via PM, I would almost rather have the chassis number than a set of photos, as it is easy for me to imagine what a red F1 looks like, but often hard to imagine what chassis number it is when staring at a photo. There are still several cars that are completely unknown as far as their current status is concerned and narrowing that list is my primary goal.

Reading through it again, I do take issue with one word I used in my first reply when I said:

"That should have been chassis #004 in Brunei."

I said "should" which gives more weight to the statement that wasn't necessarily intended when the more appropriate word was probably "could". I try to be careful about separating fact from theory or opinion, but I don't think I did such a good job that time. Unfortunately after 1 hour you can not edit posts made on F-Chat without the assistance of a moderator, but I did want to make that clarification here at least.

>8^)
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Peloton25 · #10 05-26-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GTI WR6

are you sure its not ex Cliff Meltzer McLaren F1 #28?

Fairly certain - the Meltzer car has always had a tan interior. The car in the shots that Greg just shared has a black one it would seem.

Funny though that this topic comes up as I did just find this picture the other day I was meaning to share. It's not the greatest quality, but appears to show a different red F1 in the McLaren showroom that does have a tan interior. I would think that it is #028, but can't be certain of course.

>8^)
ER

hurstg01 · #11 05-26-2008, 02:38 PM

^^

GTI WR6 · #12 05-26-2008, 02:39 PM

do you guys keep an excel file or something with all the chassis number and colours and location (+owners) of the F1s around the world? I'm sure it will be easier for you to keep track of these rarities if you have a setup like that.

GTI WR6 · #13 05-26-2008, 02:40 PM

btw greg, what is the meaning behind that night shot in your sig? am i missing something?

Peloton25 · #14 05-26-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GTI WR6

do you guys keep an excel file or something with all the chassis number and colours and location (+owners) of the F1s around the world? I'm sure it will be easier for you to keep track of these rarities if you have a setup like that.

I have one, but I don't keep it updated as often as I should. The way that I file the pictures and info I find on my computer harddrive helps me keep things straight. I also have a pretty good handle on this stuff floating around in my head, and if I can't remember something exactly, I can usually refer back to a resource like this forum to set myself straight.

The shot in Greg's sig shows Rowan Atkinson's F1 traveling down the highway. You have to look close though. I don't recall the original image being shared though. Where'd you get it Greg? PistonHeads maybe?

>8^)
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GTI WR6 · #15 05-26-2008, 02:48 PM

greg, do you have the orignal picture in ur sig? can you please post it or pm it to me?

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