Hydrogen gas???

[mike561]

Like everyone, i'm really starting to get raped at the pump these days, i know theres that water hydro thing now that supposedly increases MPG, whats everyones input on this? is it worth it? and can it even be used on our type of engines?

[silicon212]

Ever see Mythbusters?

Myth Busted 10 ways from Sunday.

[mike561]

I only saw that show like twice but if they prove its not effective then im sure it really isn't, i dont wanna go spending $1200 on something that probably wont make a difference

[Will Help]

The only good that can come from the the hydromist is the steam produced from the water vapor will keep carbon blasted off the pistons and plugs. One of the falacies of the hydromist is that since it works off of engine vacumn, you only get results when engine vacumn is at its highest. That is when the throttle is open the least amount.

That was an old mechanics trick to help clean an engine during a tune up. They sprayed a small amount of water into the air flow with the engine at a fast idle to blast the carbon out of the cylinders.

But. a clean combustion chamber will increase engine performance.

[mike561]

I've wanted to take apart the engine but this is my daily driver at the moment and all i have, i'd be really interested in seeing what a 25 year old engine looked like, if theres any sludge

[biggflintmi]

Originally Posted by mike561

I've wanted to take apart the engine but this is my daily driver at the moment and all i have, i'd be really interested in seeing what a 25 year old engine looked like, if theres any sludge

http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=drivewater
I was gonna try this on my lawnmower and seeif it works before i try it on a car. Looks simple to me but who knows.

[bhw33191]

yeah these gas prices are absolutely nuts. And my car only gets about 11mpg i think right now. I just put it on the street so i don't know the exact mpg yet. by the way maybe seafoaming the engine would help? I guess its suppose to clean out the carbon build ups, which should help. Also i was wondering what the mpg would be for people with the V6?

[PeteA216]

I do want to convert my vehicles to run on hydrogen, but there aren't any stations available here yet. I did use some stainless steel plates and a car battery to built a hydrogen reactor once. I used sodium as a catalyst to help get the hyrdrogen and oxygen molecules to split. I got it to make enough hydrogen to get a little 50 cc 4 stroke engine to idle off it. I say in terms of an alternative fuel for our nation to go with, hydrogen should be the way to go. It's easy to make, burning it has absolutely no pollution, and it's 100% renewable. We'd literally be able to put our mouths over the tail pipe of a car, suck in and be fine. Other countries have already converted, I don't see why we shouldn't. With basic modifications, internal combustion engines can run off hydrogen just fine.

[silicon212]

The main problem with hydrogen perhaps has to do with the collective IQ of the people who would use it. We have enough problems with gasoline as it is.

Hydrogen burns with an invisible flame, this can be a problem for those who don't know how to treat this extremely flammable gas.

We have to build the infrastructure for the delivery of hydrogen gas, wouldn't be too difficult but will cost $$$. We also have to educate everyone about both the benefits and dangers of this most elemental of gases.

[Will Help]

We've still got the 70 Nova we purchased in April 1970. With 165,000 miles and good oil and filter change practice, We can still clearly read the casting numbers and see the paint stripes on the valve springs through the fill cap on the valve cover. No noticeable sludge build up at all.

[mike561]

Yeah i'd be willing to convert, but i wanna learn more though about it first, i know it can be pretty costly to setup but in the longrun you save money of course. ah yes the good ol days

['97ventureowner]

Originally Posted by mike561

Yeah i'd be willing to convert, but i wanna learn more though about it first, i know it can be pretty costly to setup but in the longrun you save money of course. ah yes the good ol days

And in those days we complained that was too much for a gallon of gas ! I'd take those days any day. I remember 10 years ago I was paying .79/gal at one station near me. That price only lasted a few days and quickly went up to $1.39 within a couple of weeks. Back in '86 when I graduated from college, a friend and me drove to Chicago and the highest price we paid at the time was .86/gal. I guess I'm lucky to remember the "good ole days" of double digit or under $1.00/gal gas. The problems really started back in '91 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. That's when we were subjected to those overnight price spikes, which seem to be more commonplace nowadays.

[EngineandJuice]

sigh, i remember the summer of 98... stealing my pops leased maxima and filling up on .99/gal regular and riding around all day then tryng to park it back in the same spot at the metro parking lot.

[PeteA216]

Even back in 2001, I remember filling up at one of the reservations for $.99/gallon. I should have put down a few thousand into the gas bank. Even then though I am spending about $3500/year in gas, so a couple thousand wouldn't last me too long.

[silicon212]

Originally Posted by EngineandJuice

sigh, i remember the summer of 98... stealing my pops leased maxima and filling up on .99/gal regular and riding around all day then tryng to park it back in the same spot at the metro parking lot.

Around Thanksgiving '98, gas around here (Mesa, AZ) hit $.79/gal. For two years prior, it was teetering around $1.50/gal before the bottom fell out. While I don't ever expect to see those prices again, there's only so much higher the fuel prices can get before people stop driving ... leading to a glut situation and crashing prices. Remember, we were in a recession in '98.