Should Acura be held accountable for $10,000 of damage per RSX in 2000-3000 RSX's.

[GST2RSX-S]

Fact: A Technical Service Bulletin (TSB, aka recall) has been issued for transmission problems on the first 33,312 RSX's manufactured.

Fact: Engine Problems have been caused due to these and other related Transmission Problems.

Fact: There have been Approximately 20-30 of these cars per dealership resulting in TOTAL ENGINE FAILURE. There is approximately 100 dealerships in the US alone. Thus meaning that there is about 2000-3000 ENGINES BLOWN.

Fact: Acura has decided to warranty these cars at their discretion leaving some customers to pay the entire Replacement Bill of $10,000 ($8000 for the engine, $2000 for the labor).

Fact: The current TSB does not cover all the problems with the transmission that are causing engine failures. All RSX's are prone to such Engine Failures.

Edit: More Facts for your enjoyment:

Latest Fact: There is a TSB out (or soon to be) for Valve springs/retainers that fail and cause engines to blow as if the car was mis-shifted. This will occur without warning. This is one of the crucial factors of why customers are fighting Acura so heavily. Acura believes they are imperfect, whereas customers know they didn't damage the engine themselves.

Latest Fact: There is a TSB out (or soon to be) for Piston Rod bearings that fail and cause the pistons to fail. This will generally begin to occur with a pinging noise. Eventually the Piston Rod will fail, the Piston will begin to not run smoothly, and soon after the Piston will collide with the cylinder wall. Again, this will cause the engine to fail and cause engines to blow as if the car was mis-shifted. Another crucial factor that Acura must deal with to keep from making customers angry.

Latest Fact: Due to all these problems and many others, CONSUMER REPORTS (April '03 Issue) has rated the RSX with the reliability as bad as the MITSUBISHI ECLIPE. This is the WORST RELIABLE sports coupe under $25K.

So the question remains, do you think that Acura should cover these under warranty? Who says it's the users fault? Do you think 2000-3000 people meant to blow their engines? ? How many think that these people don't account for the average person, but they are merely all retards and should have to pay $10,000 for their mistake? So, you are left to wonder, why hasn't Acura redesigned the engine and transmission, all together, to avoid this problem.

[GST2RSX-S]

Originally posted by rsxer45
where did you get this info? And if this is true, how do I find out if my RSX type s was one of the first 33,312 manufactured.

Check your VIN. If the last 6 digits in your VIN is less than that number then you qualify. Now be very careful.

I got the TSB info from one of Acuras websites. I got the number of blown engines, the causes of them, and the warranty coverage of them from the mechanics at my dealership, by talking to other RSX owners that have blown their engines (I've talked to about 50 or more), talking to service reps at Acura, and reading forums online.

[1SlowAccord]

I don't feel acura should have to pay for them. The close gates are there for a reason. Take some time to get used to them and these problems won't happen. I'm guessing that its because of people downshifting. And missing the correct gate.

[rsxer45]

Originally posted by GST2RSX-S
Check your VIN. If the last 6 digits in your VIN is less than that number then you qualify. Now be very careful.

I got the TSB info from one of Acuras websites. I got the number of blown engines, the causes of them, and the warranty coverage of them from the mechanics at my dealership, by talking to other RSX owners that have blown their engines (I've talked to about 50 or more), talking to service reps at Acura, and reading forums online.

shit, my rsx type s was number 31 thousand something.

[newrsx]

Hey yall,
Those problems exist for only RSX-s...since manual transmission differ very much from those of automatic...whoever got manual is in trouble. Anyway, I know a couple of guys who have a rsx-s and have thier vin number to be less then 33,000....and they have been pushing it hard since 600 miles. Thier car runs fine..and they already have 8-9 thousand miles on it and shows no sigh of engine failure. My dealer told me that not all of them do...if u got ur rsx the close to the couple of months it came out, u mite wanna get it checked out by ur dealership......at least from what i heard.

[newrsx]

o by the way...people seem to believe---including acura n dealership people---that thse problems are not caused by mechanical defualt...but because of the close gate in manual..people been downshifting and missing thier gear and going down to low....a majority of these problems occur because of this...

[newrsx]

o by the way...people seem to believe---including acura n dealership people---that thse problems are not caused by mechanical defualt...but because of the close gate in manual..people been downshifting and missing thier gear and going down to low....a majority of these problems occur because of this...

[GST2RSX-S]

I've updated the problems, please read. Interesting new evidence has surfaced. All these people kicking and screaming it wasn't their fault are about to be redeemed.

[Spanky]

Not to sound like a jerk, but this is why I always wait until a new production model gets a few years under its belt before i buy one. Not many new cars come out to be perfect their first production year. Most will be flooded with recalls and other issues until the car company can fix them in future models.

[dawheat]

Lord this post is full of crap.

[b]Fact: A Technical Service Bulletin (TSB, aka recall) has been issued for transmission problems on the first 33,312 RSX's manufactured.

The TSB is for a notchy 1-2 shift when the tranny is cold. I should know since I had it done to my car.

Fact: Engine Problems have been caused due to these and other related Transmission Problems.

A notchy shift has nothing to do with the engine.

Fact: There have been Approximately 20-30 of these cars per dealership resulting in TOTAL ENGINE FAILURE. There is approximately 100 dealerships in the US alone. Thus meaning that there is about 2000-3000 ENGINES BLOWN.

Umm that's some moronic math. Certain areas such as NorCal and SoCal have had higher distributions due to mis-shifting during street racing, but most areas haven't had this problem.

Fact: Acura has decided to warranty these cars at their discretion leaving some customers to pay the entire Replacement Bill of $10,000 ($8000 for the engine, $2000 for the labor).

Nearly all those who have blown their engines have stories that begin with, "well I was at a light when xxx car pulled up..." Its a fact that the engines are fine being revved up to 9000rpms. The problem are drivers shifting at redline, not used to the very short-throw gearbox, and slamming it into a lower gear, and having the engine rev to 11,000rpm+. Sorry- no street engine will take that abuse.

Fact: The current TSB does not cover all the problems with the transmission that are causing engine failures. All RSX's are prone to such Engine Failures.

Again the TSB is for notchy 1-2 gear shifts. How that can cause an enginer failure is beyond me.

Edit: More Facts for your enjoyment:

Latest Fact: There is a TSB out (or soon to be) for Valve springs/retainers that fail and cause engines to blow as if the car was mis-shifted. This will occur without warning. This is one of the crucial factors of why customers are fighting Acura so heavily. Acura believes they are imperfect, whereas customers know they didn't damage the engine themselves.

There is no such TSB. Saying "or soon to be" is a load of bs.

Latest Fact: There is a TSB out (or soon to be) for Piston Rod bearings that fail and cause the pistons to fail. This will generally begin to occur with a pinging noise. Eventually the Piston Rod will fail, the Piston will begin to not run smoothly, and soon after the Piston will collide with the cylinder wall. Again, this will cause the engine to fail and cause engines to blow as if the car was mis-shifted. Another crucial factor that Acura must deal with to keep from making customers angry.

There is no such TSB.

[GST2RSX-S]

Tell that to the Texas Lemon Law, Department of Transportation. My car is being lemoned for such problems.

[GST2RSX-S]

Originally posted by dawheat
[b]Lord this post is full of crap.

Fact: A Technical Service Bulletin (TSB, aka recall) has been issued for transmission problems on the first 33,312 RSX's manufactured.

The TSB is for a notchy 1-2 shift when the tranny is cold. I should know since I had it done to my car.

Fact: Engine Problems have been caused due to these and other related Transmission Problems.

A notchy shift has nothing to do with the engine.

Fact: There have been Approximately 20-30 of these cars per dealership resulting in TOTAL ENGINE FAILURE. There is approximately 100 dealerships in the US alone. Thus meaning that there is about 2000-3000 ENGINES BLOWN.

Umm that's some moronic math. Certain areas such as NorCal and SoCal have had higher distributions due to mis-shifting during street racing, but most areas haven't had this problem.

Fact: Acura has decided to warranty these cars at their discretion leaving some customers to pay the entire Replacement Bill of $10,000 ($8000 for the engine, $2000 for the labor).

Nearly all those who have blown their engines have stories that begin with, "well I was at a light when xxx car pulled up..." Its a fact that the engines are fine being revved up to 9000rpms. The problem are drivers shifting at redline, not used to the very short-throw gearbox, and slamming it into a lower gear, and having the engine rev to 11,000rpm+. Sorry- no street engine will take that abuse.

Fact: The current TSB does not cover all the problems with the transmission that are causing engine failures. All RSX's are prone to such Engine Failures.

Again the TSB is for notchy 1-2 gear shifts. How that can cause an enginer failure is beyond me.

Edit: More Facts for your enjoyment:

Latest Fact: There is a TSB out (or soon to be) for Valve springs/retainers that fail and cause engines to blow as if the car was mis-shifted. This will occur without warning. This is one of the crucial factors of why customers are fighting Acura so heavily. Acura believes they are imperfect, whereas customers know they didn't damage the engine themselves.

There is no such TSB. Saying "or soon to be" is a load of bs.

Latest Fact: There is a TSB out (or soon to be) for Piston Rod bearings that fail and cause the pistons to fail. This will generally begin to occur with a pinging noise. Eventually the Piston Rod will fail, the Piston will begin to not run smoothly, and soon after the Piston will collide with the cylinder wall. Again, this will cause the engine to fail and cause engines to blow as if the car was mis-shifted. Another crucial factor that Acura must deal with to keep from making customers angry.

There is no such TSB.

I'm not going into detail on how each of these are true. If I haven't spelled it out enough for you, then fine, just wait till your engine goes and you're out $10,000. Otherwise, don't comment. I don't have $10,000 to spare and I don't think most owners do either. This is the information that I've uncovered by talking to Acura Dealership engine mechanics and other Acura engine experts. I'm trying to spread the word of my experiencse before others have similar problems.

Why the heck would someone buy a $23K car, just to have maintenance bills of $10,000 every so often. As you can tell I use to own a GST (Eclipse GS-T), and I never had engine problems with it, not one. Highest maintenance bill on that was $1000 for a new A/C compressor, but then I did it myself and saved $500.

Here's a direct quote from an Acura (Regional Manufacturer) Representative:

"We will NOT warranty an engine to be replaced no matter what the reason if the car is bought used at any mileage even 10 miles on it. Although, we will warranty an engine to be replaced once and once only no matter if it is our fault or the users in a car bought new, but that's it, no more."

Thus meaning, that the original owner has a full engine warranty for the first engine only, and any used car has a voided full engine warranty due to being used (no coverage for the full engine, but components are still covered). Also, they will refuse warranty coverage, and the owner must fight it in court if they'd like, before they budge. They won't admit to anything that is their fault, either, they just blanket cover all first engines in cars bought new.

If this isn't against the LAW!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what is.

That's why I have fought it, and I'm winning!!!!!!!!

[dawheat]

Originally posted by GST2RSX-S
I'm not going into detail on how each of these are true. If I haven't spelled it out enough for you, then fine, just wait till your engine goes and you're out $10,000. Otherwise, don't comment. I don't have $10,000 to spare and I don't think most owners do either. This is the information that I've uncovered by talking to Acura Dealership engine mechanics and other Acura engine experts. I'm trying to spread the word of my experiencse before others have similar problems.

Nice cop out. I'm not arguing that your engine may have an issue, in every production group statisticly there may be an engine with an issue. However, trying to claim your engine is damanaged due to the tranny (I'll assume you didn't mis-shift) is idiotic. You offered the TSBs as so called evidence, when the TSBs have nothing to do with it.

Why the heck would someone buy a $23K car, just to have maintenance bills of $10,000 every so often. As you can tell I use to own a GST (Eclipse GS-T), and I never had engine problems with it, not one. Highest maintenance bill on that was $1000 for a new A/C compressor, but then I did it myself and saved $500.

Again, from what I've heard in NorCal, as well as working with Comptech, the RSX is a sound vehicle. If you're having an issue, you're the exception, not the rule. I've personally had my car over 3 years, have 35K+ miles on it, have both taken it to track events, and drive it more agresssively than most drivers, and have not had a single issue. The dozen or so drivers up in NorCal that I know haven't had any issues. Out of the severa hundred people on the RSX boards, a handful have blown their engine, and all have, albiet sheepishly, admitted they mis-shifted and caused their blown engine. Of course they disagree with how much Acura should be liable, but they admit that much.

Here's a direct quote from an Acura (Regional Manufacturer) Representative:

"We will NOT warranty an engine to be replaced no matter what the reason if the car is bought used at any mileage even 10 miles on it. Although, we will warranty an engine to be replaced once and once only no matter if it is our fault or the users in a car bought new, but that's it, no more."

Thus meaning, that the original owner has a full engine warranty for the first engine only, and any used car has a voided full engine warranty due to being used (no coverage for the full engine, but components are still covered). Also, they will refuse warranty coverage, and the owner must fight it in court if they'd like, before they budge. They won't admit to anything that is their fault, either, they just blanket cover all first engines in cars bought new.

If this isn't against the LAW!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what is.

That's why I have fought it, and I'm winning!!!!!!!!

I honestly do belive you when you say driver error didn't cause the issue and I do hope things work out positively for you. However, I do have an issue with you making broad generalizations without proof about the car.

[GST2RSX-S]

Originally posted by dawheat
I've personally had my car over 3 years, have 35K+ miles on it, have both taken it to track events, and drive it more agresssively than most drivers, and have not had a single issue. The dozen or so drivers up in NorCal that I know haven't had any issues. Out of the severa hundred people on the RSX boards, a handful have blown their engine, and all have, albiet sheepishly, admitted they mis-shifted and caused their blown engine. Of course they disagree with how much Acura should be liable, but they admit that much.

I don't mind your comments, but I had to point one thing out. The RSX has been out since July 2001, so it is not possible for you to have had your RSX for over 3 years. I've had mine since it came out, I bought it in July 2001, VIN 002742. I have not even had mine for 2 years... 1 year and almost 11 months. Did you buiy yours in Japan?

I'm also on all the RSX boards... have you read about the "Class Action Law Suit Against Acura" on the board?

Also, I have more info to back up my claims but I am using it against Acura first. Once my issues are resolved I may post them for the public to read, along with my lemon law story. This car (and manufacturer) is a horror story and should be treated as such.

[dawheat]

Originally posted by GST2RSX-S
I don't mind your comments, but I had to point one thing out. The RSX has been out since July 2001, so it is not possible for you to have had your RSX for over 3 years. I've had mine since it came out, I bought it in July 2001, VIN 002742. I have not even had mine for 2 years... 1 year and almost 11 months. Did you buiy yours in Japan?

I'm also on all the RSX boards... have you read about the "Class Action Law Suit Against Acura" on the board?

Also, I have more info to back up my claims but I am using it against Acura first. Once my issues are resolved I may post them for the public to read, along with my lemon law story. This car (and manufacturer) is a horror story and should be treated as such.

Doh my bad- i counted and i guess it seemed like two years. July 2001 is when the dealer abused me for MSRP on the car.

The "Class Action Law Suit" thread is a joke. I'll admit the tranny notchiness is a pretty widespread issue, the TSB fix went a long way to fixing it for me, but during the winter, it can be pretty notchy in the first 5 minutes.

However- that still has nothing to do with the engine.

Again- there are exceptions to every case and it sounds like you have a legitimate complaint. But again- trying to portray it as every RSX is a timebomb waiting to go off is way off base.