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#1
10-11-2001, 09:03 AM
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Edit: split from peacenics joke - Heep
And what exactly have you achieved? Oh thats right you've started a decent into a Hobesian world. Hmm, yeah thats a real good idea. And Id like to see you explain it to the Judge when he sentanceing you for Assult. Considering the current state of the world, I dont find that in least bit amusing. Also you'll notice there concerned with inocent lives, If you punch them you give up your inocence, and become a combatant, I would like to see you actualy try that, When a Mob of angry protestors are chasing you down the road you might change your mind. (please note that this a smart arse reply ment with lots of sarcasim from a non-believer in the effectivness of war.)  :finger:
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10-11-2001, 09:07 AM
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10-11-2001, 11:53 AM
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The "inocent lives" thing is the largest pile of shit I've heard of since this thing started. The people there are not "inocent". The people in a country are responsible for the actions taking place there. They've done nothing about this and have actively supported it. Are they in uprising? Are they demanding that bin laden be turned over? Are they renouncing the terrorists? Of course not. Once again I'll remind you that they have three choices. Help, get the fuck out ot die. The world is a tough and harsh place. My life has been threatened. Fuck them. If they dont want to help stop it, I dont care how many die screaming in pain or watch their children do the same. Support the death of my family, friends and you'll get no mercy from me. I'm a strong believer in live and let live so on the flip side of that, fuck with me and prepared to get royally fucked-up yourself.
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10-11-2001, 12:21 PM
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True that!
I 2nd Y-VR4's comments!
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10-11-2001, 12:24 PM
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:ylsuper :ylsuper :ylsuper Preach on!
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10-11-2001, 03:16 PM
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:ylsuper :ylsuper :ylsuper all those greenpeace supporters can go fuck a whale
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10-11-2001, 11:04 PM
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That is quite posibly the most ignortant pile of shit I have ever heard regarding the whole series of events. You clearly know nothing at all about Afganistan, its most recent history, or its culture. You are worse than the terrorists you seem to hate so much. Try a little experiment. Throw away everything that you own except for a pair of pants and a shirt. Take a wife and 2 children into the Arozina desert, with only $2 in cash. Now try and live there, in absolute poverty for one month. If you try and leave the desert some one shoots you, and if you wander too far you walk into an unmarked mine field. If you object even the smallest bit someone shoots you. Randomly and for no apprent reason some one shoots at you. I bet you couldn't even last for 2 days living like this. Your ingornace would get you killed. Now think about the people of Afganistan who have had to live like this for the last 30yrs, 30yrs in a hell they can not escape from. They've tried uprising, what do you think the Northern Aliance is all about? They are the the Afgan people trying to fight back, the only problem is during the 1980s they had to fight against Troops armed and trained by Americans. While they only had access to out dated Russian weapons. Their troops were still are uneducated and under feed, while the American equiped Taliban stole all the Aid supplies, and used money given to them by the Wold bank and America. I know Afgans at Uni, and who have managed to escape at great personal loss, and the Taliban is not surported by the Majority of the Afgan people. Moral of my Rant: Its almost impossible to rebel against a poltical system that was Violently forced upon you by a superior fighting force when you can't even find enough food to feed your family for one day. These people are Innocent, they have been beaten into the ground, and need help to get out agian, not hate. Hate will only lead to more hate, its what feeds terrorism. Try actualy wartching the news, and listening to what the commentars are saying, Go do some resurch on the history of Afganistan, take note that are currently experiancing a 4yr drought, Go learn a little about Islam, and what it means to be a Muslim. Not a Fundamenalist Muslim, like a KKK member, But a regular everyday Muslim like the old lady Christain who goes to church every sunday and helps her sick neighbor. If you want to retain the attidute you expressed above then I hope you are Victim of any future Terrorist attacks, that way maybe some of the more Educated Americans will be saved and prehaps change the worlds view of America and change Americas view of the world.
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10-12-2001, 12:54 AM
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Must be a fucking tree hugger.
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10-12-2001, 08:20 AM
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Well Moppie, I see you're pretty much educated in this topic as am I. So what I would like to point out something that you haven't mentioned in your post.
Here we have a nation that has obviously been through a great deal more suffering than we could ever imagine. People living on the streets, make shift houses, children living in poverty. A government so forceful, that if your beard is not long enough, you can serve hard time. Amongst other attrocities that I don't care to get into, I see something that you failed to mention. Yes you are dealing with a government that is deadly in the least, but, other nations also side with that same forceful government that oppresses it's own people and deny them refuge to the ones that get out. Let's not forget the fact that these people have been fleeing Afghanistan for many years now. Civil war aside, that is all that they can do. Now, simply as an observer, I'm seeing millions and millions of people leaving a "Country", not an area, it would definitely raise my eyebrow. Now comes the dilemna, the United States is looked down upon by many Muslim nations and as such would be considered an Infidel in their eyes. Hell, we supplied their enemies, trained them, even funded some of them. Some of their enemies actually worked for us and then left us and now have their own power(Osama Bin Laden). Osama, being the radical muslim that he is, blows a smoke screen over peoples eyes so thick, they don't want to try and see the big picture. Afraid, maybe so, but at the same time, they are so into their religion that whatever a Taliban official says, is perceived as scripture. Supporters of the Taliban also want to make sure that they stay in power, why, because of the money that they are receiving from Drugs, Military and what have you. After doing some research, I've come to the conclusion that the United States being the only one brave enough to challenge this Regime, should wipe out the Taliban. Then let the Northern Alliance gain some control of this country and then let the people decide what government they should have. Because as you've stated in your post, "Moral of my Rant: Its almost impossible to rebel against a poltical system that was Violently forced upon you by a superior fighting force...". Now, you have Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, and other Muslim nations condemning what the U.S. is doing. But this is not an attack on Islam, it's against that force which oppresses and puts fear in those same people that you defend. As I've stated before, I don't support anything 100%, without knowing all the facts or information. But if the United States doesn't do what it is doing now, this will only get worse. A friend of mine who is Muslim and from Pakistan, now walks around in fear and concern. His car has American flags all over it so that they don't mess with him. He's American, he's also born and raised here. Why should he walk around in fear of getting bashed or worse, shot. While I may be mean at times, I'm not cruel. It pisses me off when I see someone who can't defend themselves, get picked on by others because they think they are superior than he. I am all for this War on Terrorism and the fuckin' Taliban. I disagree with what they say and think. But it isn't my place to put my ideals on others. The people of that country and the people alone must take that step. So if nothing else comes from this, at least I know that if that country comes to flourish, they know who the fuck they can thank for that. Same applies to all the other nations that hate the United States for what they stand for and protect. The same way you told Yogs about his attitude and him being a victim of a terrorist attack. I pose the same scenario to you. Regardless of your beliefs, morals, etc., if New Zealand right now were under attack(God Forbid) by these terrorists, tell me right now a clean cut thought out process of resolving this issue. I'm not criticizing you in anyway, shape or form. My sole intention is to paint a bigger picture than the one you've painted.
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10-12-2001, 11:01 AM
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DVS you never cease to amaze me,
Its good to know there are people like you in the US, I just hope their in positions of power, its gives me a vague sense of hope. Its important that people see the whole picture, but to many poeple dont do what you have done and look deeper than whats presented on the surface. Some of what I said above was a bit over the top, but Im a little sick of a lot of the misinformed Racism Iv been seing on the net and form some of the American Media. I totaly agree with what you said above, The Taliban needs to be wiped out, and yes the US is the only nation with the spare resources to do it. However I have problems with the current use of force, its to easy for people like Osama Bin Laden and other members of the Taliban to distort and lie to the Muslim world about the true facts of What is happening. Its to easy for them to inflate civilian casualities, and make up stories about american attrocities that never happened. There is a real fear that if the US does not tread lightly, then the Muslim world could turn against them, and the rest of the western world at the same time. Especialy if they see the type of attitude expressed by certain members here. Even the speachs made my Bush jnr are easy to edit and make into very Anti Islamic statements. Living next to the largest Muslim Nation in the world this all makes me a little Nervous, Especialy since at the moment NZ troops make up a large part of the UN peace keeping force in East Timor. (and so our governments arnt exactly on speaking terms) You mentioned that the Taliban needs to be wiped out the people let to choose thier new leaders, well there is a very large fear that the US will wipe out the Taliban and then leave. This would leave the country wide open to another authortiarain regime to take over. You also have to remember that the Afgan people are probobly more patriotic than Americans. Islam is a most interesting Religion, It can be compared to Cristianity in a lot of ways. In its most common form its is as common as what you could call an everyday Christian, some one who goes to church on a regular basis, follows the ten commandments, has a nice job, a wife and 2.4 children. Then there are the Fundlementalists, people like the KKK, or some of the crazy cults, Branch Davidians for example. Its important that the attacks by the US are not seen as attacks on all of the Islamic faith, but merely as attacks on the unpopular extremist views. The same as the attacks on Waco were seen not as attacks on christian people, but on misguided fundlementalists. For this to happen the US needs to show a more open and friendly attitude towards more Islamic nations, not a controling do it our way type attitude as they have done in the past. (e.g. the manipulation of the middle east for oil, and Indonesia for economic gain) Theres a fine line between sticking up for the weak, and helping someone as a means to getting something out of them. The US likes the world to think it does the former, but in reality has only ever done the later. How do I think the US should deal with this? Well take all those refugees who are trying to leave the country, and rehouse and reducate them in America. There is more than enough room in the US for a few extra million people. Move them out under military escort, protect them. Those who don't like the Taliban but also dont want to leave thier home lands, should be housed and protected while the US military makes a full scale assult on the Teliban. The poeple that are protected should not be convertd to Christianity, ther own faith should be respected. But they should also be helped, educated, etc. And let the rest of the Islamic world see this. Us the immense power the US weilds to set up some pro America and Islam propoganda. Show the Islamic world who the Taliban really are, then when thier gone the US needs to set up an Islamic goverment in Afganistan, and monitor and control it for maybe 20yrs as they did with Germany and Japan after WW II. The biggest problem is seperating Islam from the Taliban and from Osama bin laden. Otherwise anythin the US tries is going to be seen as an Attack on the Islamic faith, and an attack on a large and very militant chunk of the worlds population. Its important that the christian western world does not attack the Islamic faith, and makes it clear to the Islamic world that what is being attacked is Terrorism in all its forms, no just Islamic terrorism. And prehaps you all need to try finding some Non US based media resouces, the BBC offers a good non biased perspective.
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10-12-2001, 11:19 AM
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[/i] Try a little experiment. Throw away everything that you own except for a pair of pants and a shirt. Take a wife and 2 children into the Arozina desert, with only $2 in cash. Now try and live there, in absolute poverty for one month. If you try and leave the desert some one shoots you, and if you wander too far you walk into an unmarked mine field. If you object even the smallest bit someone shoots you. Randomly and for no apprent reason some one shoots at you. I bet you couldn't even last for 2 days living like this. Your ingornace would get you killed. You’re right I wouldn’t last a few weeks like that. I’d get the fuck out or die trying. The fact they are in such a fuck hole has no bearing on this at all - none what so ever. So their government is repressing a people – do something about it. If that government supports the attacking of my family, then it’s going to be obliterated. Don’t think we should sit here and die because the Afgan people suck at mounting a revolution. [/i] Now think about the people of Afganistan who have had to live like this for the last 30yrs, 30yrs in a hell they can not escape from. Think of Americans dieing because we fail to stop the motherfuckers who have killed us and have threatened to kill more. [/i] They've tried uprising, what do you think the Northern Aliance is all about? They are the the Afgan people trying to fight back, the only problem is during the 1980s they had to fight against Troops armed and trained by Americans. While they only had access to out dated Russian weapons. Their troops were still are uneducated and under feed, while the American equiped Taliban stole all the Aid supplies, and used money given to them by the Wold bank and America. I know Afgans at Uni, and who have managed to escape at great personal loss, and the Taliban is not surported by the Majority of the Afgan people. Again, what does this have to do with us defending ourselves? By your way of thinking, if a group of Americans borrowed some heavy equipment from the US military and started to blow the hell out of China they wouldn’t fight back. Our government could simply say, “It wasn’t sponsored by the government and we don’t plan on doing anything about it, so don’t attack us.” Obviously that’s a bunch of fucking horseshit. [/i] Moral of my Rant: Its almost impossible to rebel against a poltical system that was Violently forced upon you by a superior fighting force when you can't even find enough food to feed your family for one day. Guess what - I feel sorry for the bastards. I really do. However, its come down to them or my family. That being the case, fuck them. I’d rather see the whole country turned to glass then to see my family suffer. [/i] These people are Innocent, they have been beaten into the ground, and need help to get out agian, not hate. Hate will only lead to more hate, its what feeds terrorism. Try actualy wartching the news, and listening to what the commentars are saying, Go do some resurch on the history of Afganistan, take note that are currently experiancing a 4yr drought, Go learn a little about Islam, and what it means to be a Muslim. Not a Fundamenalist Muslim, like a KKK member, But a regular everyday Muslim like the old lady Christain who goes to church every sunday and helps her sick neighbor. Did I say anything about targeting muslims? Hell no. The miserable mother fuckers who perpetrated this and those who support them need to be annihilated. The people of Afganistan need to help in their rebellion, flee or die. There is no other option. [/i] If you want to retain the attidute you expressed above then I hope you are Victim of any future Terrorist attacks, that way maybe some of the more Educated Americans will be saved and prehaps change the worlds view of America and change Americas view of the world. Fuck you. Wish death on me? Up your ass you useless fuckwad cocksucker! We need to sit here and take it? Fuck that. We were fucking attacked you dimwitted asswipe! Get it though your thick skull. I can only hope that someday some you have to go through this and see how well you moral superior attitude holds up. So let me end by saying FUCK YOU
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10-12-2001, 12:27 PM
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10-12-2001, 04:26 PM
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I agree with you 100% yogs wasn't this a topic about knocking out tree huggers?
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10-12-2001, 06:22 PM
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why would we want to take them into our country and lose millions of dollars on them? It's not our fault they're in that bad situation. That would ruin the economy U.S. doesn't equal Jesus... sorry why doesn't your country do that? because it would be a stupid move
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