92' 240SX se vs. 93' integra ls

[jaboc]

I was just wondering who would win this race? My car has a full AEM intake, complete exhaust system, performance plugs and wires, mechanical fan removed for elec fan, ASP pulley, brand new suspension and runs perfect. The integra has intake, exhaust, a fuel regulator, and a way, way too low suspension with a slight camber problem. The guy with the integra has complete confidence that he can beat me, is this even worth my time?

[TatII]

if he is a second gen chassis integ. those are slow as hell. if he has a DC2 chassis *3rd* integra LS then it would be a very very very close race. i have a friend who has a 2nd gen integ 5 speed with cold air intake, exhuast and headers, and his car is still pretty damn slow. yet i have a friend with a 3rd gen LS with intake, headers, and exhaust, and our cars are identical. even though my car is more heavily modded. even though our cars put out more hp then the 3rd gen integs do, they put down more power to the ground because they are front wheel drives.

[Suislide]

i'd say it would be close, but in the end i think the 240SX would have the edge, and i'm not just saying that because i'm biased.

[Fliquer]

Thats weird TatII. Either you must not be very good at shifting (no offense), or you carry a lot of weight in your car. The only performance mod I have is a shift kit and I can hang with stock GSRs from a stop. They dont pull on me until about 65. What octane do you use?

[TatII]

i use 93. just to let you know, LS's and GSR's are not very different. they have the same gear ratios in the first 2 gears. plus their 1/4 and 0-60 time is only off by 2 to 4 tenths of a second. people would always underestimate a LS because its non V-TEC. but if a LS were to drag a GS-R. the LS would be ahead in the first 2 gears, because of flatter torque curve. then finally when they hit 3rd. the v-tec will come into full effect on the GSR on the begining of hte 3rd, the GSR will start catching up. and by the end of 3rd by redline, the 1/4 mile will be over, and the GS-R will only be 1 car ahead. and remember, this is a Stock LS draging a Stock GSR. now that LS that i raced is modded with I/H/E. that makes him faster then a stock GSR. and remember most LS drivers are better drivers then GSR drivers. becusae i can beat a good amount of Vtec guys. this is becasue they have a decently fast car, they ignore real driving skill. plus if you look at powre to weight ratio. the LS puts down about the same power as our cars. a LS puts down 142hp at hte fly wheel. since its FWD, its only gotta spin two sets of gears. so the power train loss is only 10%. so hes basically putting down 127.8 hp. on a frame thats just over 2700lb. now for our car, it has 155hp but we have to spin 3 sets of gears, so thats 15% power train loss. so we put down 131.5 but we weight in at over 2800lb. so they techincally put down even more power then we do. also if you look at all the stats of the LS, they all can sprint 0-60 in under 8 seconds. and the quarter mile in under 16. now if you look at our cars, most of the stats says 0-60 in just a tick over 8 seconds, and the quarter mile in over 16 seconds. are you convinced that the LS is not slow yet? when the the snows dries up. i'm goin to run my g-tec and i'm goin to post up my times on this thread. now its definitly goin to be a decent time with my skill. and this will also show you that the LS is not as slow as yout hink. go find an LS with a decent driver. i'm sure he'll beat you too.

[TatII]

alright i just came back from aceleration testing, and my car did 0-60 in 7.4 seconds, and i ran the 1/4 mile in 15.5 not bad eh?

[Fliquer]

Not bad. But i've raced many many LSs and I beaten nearly every one (ive met a couple who had superchargers ).

I have a base model S14 with the aluminum 15inchers and just about every option. My car weighs in at about 2750, and my alums are only about 12-15lbs each (less unsprung rotational mass = more power at the wheels) I do a 15.9 in the quarter. I launch around 3500 and shift at 5500.

BTW, imo the launching physics of RWD offsets the third gear we have inbetween the flywheel and the pavement.

So lets recap:

FWD LS with:


versus

RWD S14 with:


Its a close race, but I think the 240 would win every time. BTW that LS graph includes filter and exhaust mods.

Can you tell I like a good argument?

[TatII]

i forgot that you got a basemodel. well your car is faster then my car if my car was still stock. but where we gain on the LS on the low end, the LS will have more highend then our cars, and will ultimately over take us. but thats with a SE though, i'm not sure about a base model.

[Fliquer]

In case you cant see the bottom pic, heres a link to it. You might change your mind after u see it. (it gets a lot of traffic, so if its busy, keep trying).

http://www.geocities.com/ake2ly/N240/stock_dyno.html

[RedRider]

Well, personally, I think the race depends on the drivers. I don't have a 2G Integra or a 240. I'm saying it depends on the driver because I have a friend who has a 92 Integra LS with only an intake and he ran a 15.6 on the quartermile with the backseats in his car stripped out. I haven't seen a 240 with only an intake run the quartermile, so it'll be hard to say.

[KrNxRaCer00]

ur absolutely rite TatII. the ls will pull on a GSR for the 1st 2 gears, then as soon as we hit 3rd, its over for the ls. jus raced a 97 ls w/ i/h/e an others (he wouldn't tell me wut they were), an thats exactly how the race went down.

[TatII]

yup, i have 2 friends with LS's and i raced them both and both of them raced stock GS-R's, and thats how it always goes. the one thats modded can beat a stock GS-R, the other one was nearly stock at the time, and he was ahead in the first 2 gears. so yeah

[mellowboy]

Yeh ls motors suck at a top end. Now lets say if you have an ls motor stock with a shorter geared tranny like type r vs a stock gsr. The ls would win. Now i've driven a 240 before and not to say but they are pretty slow. They rev slow as hell hehe. Either way i think it'll be a close race. As mentioned before it depends on the driver. I've been told that some local kat got his 6th gen civic si ran 15.0 with intake and healthy motor! NOW THATS SKILLS!

[Redline_civic91]

Originally posted by Fliquer
the wheels) I do a 15.9 in the quarter. I launch around 3500 and shift at 5500.

damn you shift at 5500 rpms. that sucks. i know quit a bit of hondas that launch at 5500 on the track and shift at 8 to 8 1/2 rpms. most modded hondas can shift at 8,000 rpms.

[mellowboy]

Originally posted by Redline_civic91



damn you shift at 5500 rpms. that sucks. i know quit a bit of hondas that launch at 5500 on the track and shift at 8 to 8 1/2 rpms. most modded hondas can shift at 8,000 rpms.

Thats because them 240s rev like trucks.