Bugatti Veyron 16.4 vs Cadillac Sixteen

[Scott 02]

Not sure if anyone has started this tread but i been wanting to get some others opinions on the 2 cars since they are similar.

I think the both with 1000hp would make one good race.

[Jimster]

moved to car comparisions

[Neutrino]

No question veyron. I'll take a bugatti over a caddilac anyday.

[Deakins]

How are they similar?
The only similarity I can see, is that they both have 1000hp+ 16 sylinder engines.
On a racetrack, the Cadillac would downright get owned.

[Scott 02]

Probably right on that, I just thought it was neat to see cadillac come back with the V-16 engine. The original was in 1921 or something like that.

[FYRHWK1]

Originally posted by Deakins
How are they similar?
The only similarity I can see, is that they both have 1000hp+ 16 sylinder engines.
On a racetrack, the Cadillac would downright get owned.

prove this?

[Deakins]

You got to be shitting me?

Bugatti Veyron:
Size: Wheelbase 2,700 millimeters, overall length 4,466 mm, width is 1,998 mm, height 1,206 mm. 1240 kg
Power: 736 kW (1001 bhp) at 6000/min, 1,250 Newton-meters (922 lbs-ft of torque) at 2000-5500/min
Drivetrain: Sequential DCT seven-speed gearbox, permanent all-wheel drive

Cadillac Sixteen:
Size: Wheelbase 3556 millimeters, overall length 5,671 mm, width is 2,029 mm, height 1391 mm. 2270 kg
Power: 735 kW (1000 bhp) at n/a /min, 1355 Newton-meters (1000 lbs-ft of torque) at 4000 /min
Drivetrain: Four speed "slightly modified off the GM shelf" gearbox, rear wheel drive.

[SuPeRcAr_MaN]

I love the Caddie, but it would get it's ass handed to it by the Bugatti.

[Scott 02]

it sure would, the cadillac weighs 5000lbs, i don't think the Bugatti weight is near that much.

[Jimster]

The Cadillac just simply doesn't stand a chance against the Bugatti- it's all about the power:wieght ratio

[FYRHWK1]

Originally posted by Deakins
You got to be shitting me?

Bugatti Veyron:
Size: Wheelbase 2,700 millimeters, overall length 4,466 mm, width is 1,998 mm, height 1,206 mm. 1240 kg
Power: 736 kW (1001 bhp) at 6000/min, 1,250 Newton-meters (922 lbs-ft of torque) at 2000-5500/min
Drivetrain: Sequential DCT seven-speed gearbox, permanent all-wheel drive

Cadillac Sixteen:
Size: Wheelbase 3556 millimeters, overall length 5,671 mm, width is 2,029 mm, height 1391 mm. 2270 kg
Power: 735 kW (1000 bhp) at n/a /min, 1355 Newton-meters (1000 lbs-ft of torque) at 4000 /min
Drivetrain: Four speed "slightly modified off the GM shelf" gearbox, rear wheel drive.

ok so the bugatti has AWD, meaning less power to the ground, a 7 speed which SHOULD help it around the track and a shorter wheelbase which CAN help its turn in, yet neither have been proven, so therefore my point still stands, prove it.
and that "slightly modified off the shelf" automatic is likely the best 4 speed in the world, the fact its relativly unmodified is proof of that. neither of these cars would perform well enough for their pricetag/technology regardless, they're image cars.

[SuPeRcAr_MaN]

Okay, this was a VERY uneven comparison... just because they are both V16 cars doesn't mean we should be comparing them in any way. They are in two completely different leagues.

[Scott 02]

Yeah, Mainly wanting to compair motors were i think the Cadillac has the better motor b/c i has more torque and american made

Cant wait untill the 0-60mph test and top speed test comes out

[Deakins]

Originally posted by FYRHWK1
ok so the bugatti has AWD, meaning less power to the ground, a 7 speed which SHOULD help it around the track and a shorter wheelbase which CAN help its turn in, yet neither have been proven, so therefore my point still stands, prove it.

I can't prove it, neither can you. If you refuse to look at the numbers presented, you might as well press here and never come back. There is no chance in hell either one of us is presented the opertuneny to testdrive both cars at a track.
Yes, the Veyron wil probably have less power to the wheels, but how can you seriously think the Sixteen will successfully get more power to the ground and still keep up with the Veyron?

and that "slightly modified off the shelf" automatic is likely the best 4 speed in the world, the fact its relativly unmodified is proof of that.

Just because it's the only gearbox GM had that could handle the power, doesn't mean it's the best. They could have made a new one, and probably learned a thing or two, but that would cost money...

neither of these cars would perform well enough for their pricetag/technology regardless, they're image cars.

If you look at the Sixteen, I can see that, but if the Veyron is everything it looks to be, I don't agree.

[FYRHWK1]

dont think the Sixteen is worth its tag? it costs 250K, the veyron is probably going to go for over a mil. what tech does it have? a 7 speed with a dual clutch? yawn, not impressive, not for 750K. the veyron also has a W engine, dynamically inferior to a V16, it requires very tight bores and thin rods to clear each other, it also requires a dual balancer to keep the NVH in check.
Should i go into the fact it runs 4 turbos and DOHC/4VPC and still produces less torque then a car thats 1/3-1/4 of its price, and is a LUXURY car? one running "old school" single cam, 2 VPC valvetrain? This car ALSO runs displacement on demand, mileage isnt a huge issue but hey, it gets more. And i suppose you weren't reading, that IS one of the best 4 speed automatics in the world, it wasnt an opinion. GM needs to learn very little about building automatics, BMW even seems to think so since the 5 speed auto in their 5 series is a GM part. . .

in fact, the Sixteen is MORE worth its money since it's priced equally with its segment and competition, the veyron is attempting to be another McLaren, with VAG backing it it didn't have a chance at that from the beginning.