The speed of Time and Reality.

[I-Tech]

I dislike the height of human intellect saying light is as fast as anything is capable of (including gravity). Thus I propose we look into the abstract meaning of speed.

1. Does light actually move or is it static while everything else moves around it?

2. Can we put a speed on reality? Simply reading these words effects the rest of the universe, but how quickly? How quick does displacement of any kind of matter affect matter billions of light-years away?

Take into account that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but reformed.

[Polygon]

Well the whole thought process about the speed of light will have to be completely reformed or at least changed in my opinion. With the discovery of SN1987A neutrinos were detected at first light of the supernova. That would mean that they travel at the speed of light. Since we can detect them with huge lakes of mineral oil would suggest that they have mass. Now, the theory of relativity states that nothing with mass can travel at the speed of light. That is just one of many things that has brought the theory under fire. Yes, the speed of light is simply part of the theory, but I think that the theory will have to be completely worked over.

Very intersting concept you have there. I'll have to sit and think about that for a little while. I would think this belongs in the philosiphy forum. Not sure though.

[Neutrino]

Ok geez Poly i'll go find a scale and finnish this argument.


And i'm NOT fat. I have little mass.

Originally posted by I-Tech

1. Does light actually move or is it static while everything else moves around it?

MMMM.....NOT

[Polygon]

Originally posted by Neutrino
Ok geez Poly i'll go find a scale and finnish this argument.


And i'm NOT fat. I have little mass.




MMMM.....NOT

Oh dear lord, I never stopped to think about that. ROTFLMAO!!!! :hehehe:

[slave]

Light obviously moves on its own, as it can go different directions. Ie torches and sunrises etc, different angles therfore mean light is moving, unless we totally warp out of proportion moving to make the light look as though it IS moving when it really is static and our perceptions also change so everything which has been warped to allow this static light to appear full of life remains in a constant form. Ouch, I hurt my head.

And a speed on reality? Sure, the good days i spent with my ex, lasted 5.5 seconds, the bad days I spend with this woman at my work take around 14.8 weeks.

[tazdev]

Light must move as it has to travel from 1 point (example = the sun) to its destination (example = the earth).

Can you define reality let alone put a speed on it?

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by tazdev

Can you define reality let alone put a speed on it?

Ok are you guys serious about talking phisics or just phylosophy? So i know how to take this thread.

[rsxer45]

Originally posted by Polygon
Well the whole thought process about the speed of light will have to be completely reformed or at least changed in my opinion. With the discovery of SN1987A neutrinos were detected at first light of the supernova. That would mean that they travel at the speed of light. Since we can detect them with huge lakes of mineral oil would suggest that they have mass. Now, the theory of relativity states that nothing with mass can travel at the speed of light. That is just one of many things that has brought the theory under fire. Yes, the speed of light is simply part of the theory, but I think that the theory will have to be completely worked over.

Very intersting concept you have there. I'll have to sit and think about that for a little while. I would think this belongs in the philosiphy forum. Not sure though.

Actually, your not quit right about SN1987A neutrinos. They were not quite traveling at the speed of light, but it was a very high fraction of the speed of light. Its speed could easily be mistaken as the c. Additionally, the equipment used to measure their speed during that supernova did not have the precision to conclude that the neutrinos were traveling exactly at the speed of light. But, nonetheless, I agree that special relativity has to be reworked. Some much evidence is popping up from many different fields of science that is contrary to the idea of a constant speed of light. In fact, some people even think the speed of light was faster during the early origins of our universe. But, on the other hand, I think it is still safe to say that in general the speed of light is roughly constant. If it were not true, matter could not exist. Just my 2 cents.

Ps: sorry bout this post. I don't mean to sound like a nerd or something. I only know this becuase im studying to be a nuclear engineer.

[NSX]

Originally posted by I-Tech
1. Does light actually move or is it static while everything else moves around it?

I like that idea; its a new concept I've never thought of...although, they say that the Universe is in fact expanding @ an accelerating rate, so in our frame of reference, we must see light accelerating as well.

As well as someone said; Einstein's most famous work doesn't allow it.

[MiSS-GvS]

What I like the most...is if we define time into past, present and future, the present is a very small space of time.

I mean, within a second, the present has moved to become the futrue and that moment that was just present has now become the past!

Life moves quick eh!. I mean if u wanna braodern u're time frame a lil to make the present the current day or something, the moment the clock reaches 12-midnight and no seconds, u're in the cusp of past meeting the present, the present becoming past and also the present becoming the future, and what was the futre, becomming the present.

*shakes head*...I think if we all read too much into nothing, then at the most we'll just confuse tha shitte outta ourselves and there will be no real purpose to whateva this discussion started out to be!.

[NSX]

Originally posted by MiSS-GvS
What I like the most...is if we define time into past, present and future, the present is a very small space of time.

I mean, within a second, the present has moved to become the futrue and that moment that was just present has now become the past!

Life moves quick eh!. I mean if u wanna braodern u're time frame a lil to make the present the current day or something, the moment the clock reaches 12-midnight and no seconds, u're in the cusp of past meeting the present, the present becoming past and also the present becoming the future, and what was the futre, becomming the present.

*shakes head*...I think if we all read too much into nothing, then at the most we'll just confuse tha shitte outta ourselves and there will be no real purpose to whateva this discussion started out to be!.

lol, then the thread will be moved to OT...

well, the present is all relative.

[Steel]

Originally posted by I-Tech
I dislike the height of human intellect saying light is as fast as anything is capable of (including gravity). Thus I propose we look into the abstract meaning of speed.

1. Does light actually move or is it static while everything else moves around it?

2. Can we put a speed on reality? Simply reading these words effects the rest of the universe, but how quickly? How quick does displacement of any kind of matter affect matter billions of light-years away?

Take into account that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but reformed.

gravity doesnt have a "speed". It just does it's thing, and reaches infinitley far.

Light moves. Pretty fast too.

How do reading those words affect the rest of the universe?

matter CAN be created AND destroyed. Energy cannot.

[rsxer45]

Originally posted by Steel


gravity doesnt have a "speed". It just does it's thing, and reaches infinitley far.

Light moves. Pretty fast too.

How do reading those words affect the rest of the universe?

matter CAN be created AND destroyed. Energy cannot.

2 comments. One is that we do not know enough about gravity to determine if it has a speed or not. Some think gravity is made up of moving particles with no mass for example. The truth is that even though we know so much about what gravity does, we really don't know how or why it does it. And two, oops I forgot what I was about to say. So Ill just leave it as that.

[Cbass]

Reality is relative.

[NSX]

Originally posted by Steel
matter CAN be created AND destroyed. Energy cannot.

Are you sure?
What about Einstein's E=mc^2 ?

Originally posted by rsxer45


2 comments. One is that we do not know enough about gravity to determine if it has a speed or not. Some think gravity is made up of moving particles with no mass for example. The truth is that even though we know so much about what gravity does, we really don't know how or why it does it. And two, oops I forgot what I was about to say. So Ill just leave it as that.

Don't forget electrical charges as well.