You guys need JATO bottles

[TcobrA]

It this ugly thibg typical for you guys? Sad!

[Self]

Originally posted by TcobrA
It this ugly thibg typical for you guys? Sad!

Is this kind of stupidity typical for you guys?? VERY SAD!!
What was the point of this post? Was there one? Was it to show everyone how extremely worthless you are? I'm thinking it was, and you're proven your point perfectly Don't post here if this is all you have to contribute. Save your time, AF.com's bandwith, and our anger for something that actually deserves it

[drift]

it's JATO rockets, not bottles.

do you even know what JATO stands for? Jet Assisted Take Off.

IBialreadyknewthateventhoimaredneckhater

[TcobrA]

Well,
I guess I struck a nerve. It just so happens that the ugly green Honda pictured in my last post was traded for a real car. The young fool that presented it had put $20,000 worth of after market stuff in it to make it go fast and claimed sub-13 second 1/4 miles (perhaps with a stiff tail wind and some C4). Maybe it would have gone faster if he had some more stickers on it. I was just wondering if all you HONDA tuners were under the influence and if so, what drug makes that green abomination look good? BTW, the young "tuner" got $9K in the trade (nothing for the add-ons!!!). The dealer selling it says "buy the car, get the accesories for free..."
As for JATO, they are commonly refered to as "bottles" and are used to get loaded aircraft off the ground or to assist same in short runway take-off.
Just thought I'd poke some Honda/Accura eyes here because you folks seem to revel in coming to V8 sites to talk trash. Remember, that Honda engine displaces about as much as a coke bottle. The blower on my 8 displaces more...........

[Self]

You are extremely gay. If he did put $20k into the car to make it go fast, he'll smoke the shit out of you. Your car is fast, yes, but definately not unbeatable. I'll destroy it, I know A LOT of Honda's that will DESTROY it. So don't go writing checks your car can't cash. You'll end up looking a lot dumber than you already do

[TcobrA]

First,
You have NO idea what cars I have.

Second,
I have colaborated on SEVERAL designs including:

Ford Mach 1
Ford SVT Lightning
Ford SVT Cobra
Steeda Q-400
Saleen S-281
Saleen S-351
Saleen S-7
Shelby Series 1
FAST CARS OUT OF THE BOX son........Made faster with my help....

I know what kind of power you can get out of a Honda Engine.
They are good for closed-circuit racing but..........will it last 100,000 miles?

The Mopar 426 HEMI still dominates at the drag strip. The Dodge Ram Charger boys INVENTED drag racing in the 50s and have gained MUCH gound since.....
Domination includes the FE-427, FE-429 the Chevy 454, 350, etc.....

If your car can run 9.22 @ 161 MPH then PERHAPS your car will beat mine -- frankly I don't care -- but I have retired from drag racing..... I have moved on to closed tracks.......

Real PERFORMANCE CARS ARE REAR WHEEL DRIVE:
BMW M Power and Dinan
Ferrari
Lamborghini
Maseratti
Astin Martin
Lotus
Ford
Chevy
Dodge
Shall I go on?

The slowest cars I own are:
'94 SHO (Yamaha Engine) -- FWD
'02 Impreza WRX -- AWD
'96 Ford Winstar Minivan -- FWD -- slightly modified -- 225 Hp at the wheels -- which crushed a 'Mugen Power' sticker-bedecked, Winged and Fart-canned Honda YESTERDAY on Rte 28 in Salem NH!!!


Why is it that you kids seem to spend all sorts of $$$ to try and make your Hondas perform like 60's era Muscle Cars? What car put the fear in Vin Diesel in F&F? Hmmmm? Keep spending money in Japan..... better yet, go to school.

As for my sexuality, I think my wife would disagree with you but, actually your opinion means LITTLE to me.

[Self]

Originally posted by TcobrA
First,
You have NO idea what cars I have.

Second,
I have colaborated on SEVERAL designs including:

Ford Mach 1
Ford SVT Lightning
Ford SVT Cobra
Steeda Q-400
Saleen S-281
Saleen S-351
Saleen S-7
Shelby Series 1
FAST CARS OUT OF THE BOX son........Made faster with my help....

I know what kind of power you can get out of a Honda Engine.
They are good for closed-circuit racing but..........will it last 100,000 miles?

The Mopar 426 HEMI still dominates at the drag strip. The Dodge Ram Charger boys INVENTED drag racing in the 50s and have gained MUCH gound since.....
Domination includes the FE-427, FE-429 the Chevy 454, 350, etc.....

If your car can run 9.22 @ 161 MPH then PERHAPS your car will beat mine -- frankly I don't care -- but I have retired from drag racing..... I have moved on to closed tracks.......

Real PERFORMANCE CARS ARE REAR WHEEL DRIVE:
BMW M Power and Dinan
Ferrari
Lamborghini
Maseratti
Astin Martin
Lotus
Ford
Chevy
Dodge
Shall I go on?

The slowest cars I own are:
'94 SHO (Yamaha Engine) -- FWD
'02 Impreza WRX -- AWD
'96 Ford Winstar Minivan -- FWD -- slightly modified -- 225 Hp at the wheels -- which crushed a 'Mugen Power' sticker-bedecked, Winged and Fart-canned Honda YESTERDAY on Rte 28 in Salem NH!!!


Why is it that you kids seem to spend all sorts of $$$ to try and make your Hondas perform like 60's era Muscle Cars? What car put the fear in Vin Diesel in F&F? Hmmmm? Keep spending money in Japan..... better yet, go to school.

As for my sexuality, I think my wife would disagree with you but, actually your opinion means LITTLE to me.

Look left, at my buddy info...It reads 1995 Camaro Z28. So all of the anti-japan comments are null and void. Secondly, no one is disputing that V8s are the king of the crop when it comes to drag racing, look at my sig, "No replacement for displacement, no not even a turbo". I agree with you on that. OUR PROBLEM is with you coming into this forum and being ignorant, stupid, and wasting space and time. If you want to talk about how horrible honda's are, go into the ford forum, or the chevy, or basically any forum BUT this one, and everyone will agree with you and no one will assualt your intelligence OR sexuality. As long as you're doing that here though, that's all you should ever expect. I'm not your son either:finger:

[Polygon]

While I will agree with you on most points, you don't need to say things the way you are. People see them as flames and won't give you any respect. Had you posted in a less ignorant manner people wouldn't get on your case. Hell, I agree, I hate most Hondas and feel they are worthless for drag racing because of the lack of low end torque, but some people like to go against the grain I suppose. You should have a chat with hybridsol sometime.

[SilverY2KCivic]

I know what kind of power you can get out of a Honda Engine. They are good for closed-circuit racing but..........will it last 100,000 miles?

You gotta be kidding me to ask this question if you claim to know about cars and Hondas and the power they put out. Hondas if you don't already know (and I'm sure you do) are one of the most reliable cars out on the roads today. They can outlast many other cars out there. I have yet to see a Domestic outlast what most Hondas do. Then again, the more power you pump through it, the shorter it'll last.

And just to see what you do think you know about Hondas, what's the fastest one you have seen, heard of, or read about?

[TcobrA]

Sometimes you must demonstrate absurdity by using absurdity.

I do think some folks are a bit misguided and uninformed about some aspects of this argument.

I have, in my 41 plus years on this planet, seen no evidence that a Honda, or any other foreign offering, is any more reliable or longer lived than any American car I have owned. I once had a Dodge Dart Slant 6 that ran for 22 years and OVER 425,000 miles with simple routine maintenance. At some point the weather and road salt of New England turned it into a pile of orange and brown dust. A '78 Toyota my wife and I owned was so reduced by 1984! (That's 6 SHORT years!)
My brother is a big foreign car enthusiast but gave up on Hondas when that wonderful timing belt broke on his CRX just 20K miles after the requisite 60K replacement, while he was rushing to surgery (he is surgeon). He now drives Audis and BMWs exclusively.

In general I have no problem with the engineering of these cars. It is quite good, actually. However, some of the (for the lack of kinder words) backwards-baseball-caped IMBECILES I see driving sticker-bedecked, winged, and fart-canned Civics, cause me to take pause and consider just how far beyond the chimpanzee we realy are.

Remember, it is easy to copy and improve. The Japanese have done it with cars and electronics. Thankfully some of us, Americans, have learned lessons and wised up. I feel bad when young people, filled with propeganda, call their own people, products, and way of life, inferior and cast aside the real achievments of this Nation. Some of these young mush-filled skulls simply parrot opinions that may have carried some truth back in say, 1977, that are just no longer true.

As far as fast Hondas are concerned, the Honda F1 program is quite impressive. As for honda-based drag cars, the ones i have seen, that have had some success up here at NEDW, had FEW honda parts left in them. So few, in fact, the owner of one nifty "Accord" was forced out of the class he appled for, and was forced pro-street, where he was embarrased by some nice Z-28s, Mopars, and one NASTY B&Sed 347 cid Paxton-motivated and nitrous oxide inspired '88 5.0 LX, MINE -- but as I said, I am retired from drag racing.

Now smarten up before a group of Japanese tourists buy Hawaii, raise the Arizona, and turn it into Honda parts. Or do you find the flying of the American Flag offensive?

OOOOOOO-RAHHHH!

[SkunkSI]

I think that car looks pretty nice? the colors pretty flashy but its not all bad. Oh yea. read this muscle vs technology http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...ight=hybridsol

[SilverY2KCivic]

Where in my post did I ever say I don't like American cars? I'm just saying what I've seen true about them with my own eyes. I've seen more people that own Mustangs have problems with them than (not just Honda) but import car owners in general. Bu I do agree with points of your post. The domestic cars of today have come a LONG way since the ones of old, and are far more advnaced (obviously) and reliable than their older muscle siblings. Lots of imports are plauged with various problems of their own, but like I said, it's what I see and have been told by owners of their respectable vehicles. If I had a domestic of old, I'd quickly chose a '70 Buick GS Stage 1, it's IMO the most truest sleeper out there, looks like a grandma's car, yet can even put an SS Chevelle to shame given the right conditions. Of newer domestics? Well the Neon SRT-4 seems quite promising from all the reviews I've read (Even Sport Compact Car mag, one noted for it's coverage of imports ranks it higher than any other pocket rocket "muscle" out there). The new Mustang Cobras with the 390hp supercharged motor. I did however see one get spanked by a B16 built motor powered '93 style Civic hatchback a couple weeks ago (very good race I might add), but then the guy blew his motor (the Civic driver that is) about a week later, oops. Running a sub 13 second NON nitrous or even turbo powered Honda is quite a respectable feat no doubt.

On the fast Honda bit I threw out there, I'll agree with you there as well, on the F1 part that is. I'm just waiting to see what Honda will do and how they will do once they're IRL career sees it's first race. I can't colaborate much on the drag portion as I'm not much into it (I'm an SCCA auto cross guy), just what I've read (seen some feature articles on the top IDRC cars). But I'd imagine many parts in most of them aren't standard Honda parts, but aftermarket for purpose of strength and such. Like a Honda piston or black in stock form could handle 700hp. But then again, any TRUE drag car that's doing exceptional times isn't running stock or even manufacture parts anyways. Although the current "world's fastest Civic" driven by Steph Papdikas does run a STOCK Honda 5 speed tranny, with modified gears and some strengthening of the casing of course, but it's still stock they say. Only the creators of it know the truth to it as with any race car.

In closing I'd like to say though, even though apparently my post came off otherwise, I FULLY support flying the American flag, thanks. I just like to live in other countries I guess you could say, but I give much deserved respect to the home country.

[TcobrA]

Debate is a favorite pass time for me.
Yes you can get power from small packages. I am just ammused by some of the "nawz boyz" out there with their physics-defying claims.
I watch "High Rev Tuners" with my sons. Everytime I hear 700 HP claims I wonder, justifiably so, where are the dyno slips and time slips? It seems that many of these "tuners" not only lack the scientific knowledge to understand F=MA, but also seem to think that putred metalic paint, stickers, and wings, actually do make a car go faster. Show me ONCE a timed run. Everytime I see a strip run on these cars, on that show, these Civics seem slower than the wife's minivan! Where is the beef?

As for the Buick, you are right on! I love sleepers. My SHO, when the Yamahammer is running right, is a sleeper.
I am also willing to put up with the foibles of real muscle cars and at present hold title to a 1964 Dodge Polara 426 Max Wedge. Oil must be changed every 1000 miles (I do it after 200), but I love it!

As for the 2003 SVT Cobra. I have one. It dynoed at 394 HP and 376 lBft right out of the box. With 15% drivetrain loss that's 453 Hp and 430 lBft at the crank. It's winter in NH now, and the mods are going in. The car comes with a forged steel crank and manley h rods now (stock). I got room!

As domestics go: I have driven an SVT Focus -- quick. I have recently driven a Corvette Z06 -- very fast, a Mercury Marauder -- could be much faster, A 2000 BMW M5 -- quick as hell and a new (year?) Acura NSX -- not so quick for the $$$ -- I like a Lotus Elise better (if you can put up with the electrical system!!!).. The Neon you mentioned looks worth a drive. I am watching for the following: 2003 Viper, 2004/5 Mustang GT 350 (5.4 Litre), the Holden-based Pontiac GTO.

I wish GM kept the f-bodys. I liked them all.



Happy New Year.

[SilverY2KCivic]

All excellent cars you mentioned there in your last paragraph. I have beef with the Z06 Vette though. Well, not with the car itself, but the drivers, SOME of them I'll make it clear as. My Civic I auto cross. As you may know thats an automotive sport of vehicle handling, rather than sheer speed and all out power an acceleration. In auto cross, a 150hp Miata can EASILY out perform a Vette of any model. Actually, Miatas are about one of the fastest production cars on many Solo2 SCCA circuits. The past few races I've been to, a lot of guys come out with their Z06's thinking they'll just take the competition away, they couldn't be any more WRONG with an attitude like theirs. Time and time again I'll see these guys drive their cars through the course as if it was some light weight import pocket rocket. Do these guys forget that their car is RWD, and produces enourmous amounts of power in very little time? In a FWD car, you can power out of a curve with little worry of losing control or spinning out. The Vette drivers power out of it with what seems like WOT, and they end up spinning out in to a 180 or even 360 right out OFF of the course in some cases. Not an ideal car suited for slalom type racing. The old style Cameros (mid - late 80's and early 90's versions) make great slalom cars however. They seem to have great handling capabilities and can be built up quite well. But enough on that, just something I wanted to throw out there.

This Dodge you speak of, the Polara, why on earth must the oil be changed only every 1000 miles? Is the motor just that sensative? One of my friend's has a cool ride for ya'. Originally his first car was a '72 Dodge Dart Swinger with the 318ci V8. That was a pretty sweet car, we'd whip around turns in it and powerslide it to no end. When he learned about how to torque brake it, the first time he did it, I swear the entire body raised about 3 inches off the frame before he let off the brake, and it took off in a smokey fury. He throw on some dual Flow Masters onto it for some better exhaling. Later on, he aquired a Chrysler 300E I think it was? Another beginning of 70's era car. I didn't know too much about it. His dream car was a '70 Road Runner with 440 six pack. He's almost achieved that. Right now he owns title to a '70 Plymouth Satellite Sebring. 440 six pack motor in it, huge tank like appearance, but as he says, it's basically a Road Runner with more options and different name plate. It's a sweet car no less. He had the entire exhaust system on it reworked. Mopars by far are one of my fav muscle cars. They have good reputation IMO, and they are the cars most never think of, but should in terms of old muscle.

[TcobrA]

The 426 max wedge engine was race-prepped from the factory. It has loose-fitting rings and valve seals. HiPo engines of that era drank oil. After hard runs, the oil in the crank case is full of combustion products.

for more info see:

http://www.maxwedge.com/orangemonster.html