Skyline GTR R34 vs. Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4

[DrKyleFletcher]

Listen, my friend and I were talking about this, and he wants to know why the skyline would win if the skyline has 280 hp and the vr-4 has 320 and they're both awd. I know the skyline is lighter because the vr-4 is a hardtop convertible, bla bla, but I KNOW it is more than just the weight, displacement is no replacement for technology... lol... What kind of technology do they both have comparitively, and what are the 1/4 times@speeds stock (or maybe with an intake and exhaust on both)?
I'll appreciate any information you can dish out... Thanks!

[TatII]

skylines aren't 280hps. they're more like 350hp's. they put like 329hp at the wheels stock and this is on all 4 wheels. the 0-60 times on a GT-R ranges from 5.6 to 4.7 the americans can only pull at 5.6 when people in england and japan can pull a 4.7 same with the 1/4 mile times. a stock GT-R can do anything from 13 flat to 12.7 once again. all the japanese guys can pull 12's in a stock GT-R. now they both are 4WD. but the GT-R's is completely computer controlled. only the earlier ones such as the R32's were mechanical. so since the newer ones are computer controlled. it splits the torque more better. plus the GT-R is not full time AWD. its only part time. so under hard lauches the computer will send torque to the front wheels and after the computer stops detecting slipage in the front wheels. it becomes completely rear wheel drive. this prevents power train loss typically found in most AWD cars. the same deal with cornering. also the GT-R has a Super HICAS steering which is the only car in the world that can seem to make it work. the 3000GT also has it in the VR4 but its no where near as impressive as the one found in the GT-R. plus how many 3000GT's have you seen that can put down over 1000hp on all 4 wheels? non the last time i recalled. they can probrably hold up to upper 600hp before the tranny starts to break. and how many 3000GT's have you seen that can do 7's in the 1/4 mile? once again. the tranny is the weakest link. i hope that solves yoru problem

[DrKyleFletcher]

Thanks, it actually did solve my problem, he said "_: but i still want a vr4 lol"... thanks! lol

[TatII]

no prolemo. anything to help defend my beloved nissan. 3000GT VR4's are still very nice cars though. its just that the SL are pieces of shit and that the base models are even more garbage. i mean come on how many other japanese super cars comes freakin front wheel drive when its not the top of the line turbo? only the 3000GT.

[YogsVR4]

The skyline is a faster car stock and mod for mod then the VR4. With that said, I still think the Skyline is butt-ugly. If speed were the only issue, we'd all be driving crotch rockets

[Moppie]

Originally posted by TatII
. its just that the SL are pieces of shit and that the base models are even more garbage.

Ever seen a base model skyline?
They are not in anyway special cars. Infact they are damn right primitive, big cars with no space inside, and a large engine that makes very little hp. The total opposite of the GTR.

[Jimster]

The VR4/GTO TT is good for 550bhp (The most I've seen in one) but the tranny is useless for anything more- Something that is a well documented fact- Mitsubidhi make the worlds worst Transmissions- this is the reason why I never bought a 3000GT back in NZ.


The Skyline GTR is a far superior car- Strong engine and Transmissions that can handle quite a fair bit of modifications. Plus it is an ideal wieght IMO.

The base models are allright- The turbo ones have quite an impressive output- Not the case with the N/A models and I never had problems with interior space and I am 6'5 In fact I came very close to buying an R34 GT-t back last November.

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
I never had problems with interior space and I am 6'5 In fact I came very close to buying an R34 GT-t back last November.

The R34s are better in the frount, but they are a much bigger car than the R32 or R33.
Iv driven two R32 coupes, been in the back of both of them, as well as a R32 4dr. My Civic has more room in back than either the coupe or the 4dr, and when given the choice of getting in the back of the skyline 4dr or my Civic when heading to the beach everyone jumped for a spot in my Civic.
The driving position is not much better, the Skyline is BIG car, yet there is not a lot of room in it, most ppl know how short I am, yet I found it cramped and clustrophobic. There is enough room for a tall person, but I know someone who's 120kg plus and dosnt drive his R32 Coupe because he finds it to tight a fit.

I have never been in an R33, but being based on the same platform as he R32 I imagine its not much better. (Im open to correction here)
I know the R34 coupe is much better from a frount seat perspective, the center consoul and sills are much lower, however the back seat is still next to useless for anyone but kids. And simple look through the back window of the R34 4drs that are starting to show up will show you there is still only a few inchs of leg room in the back. My old dead Triumph a car over 20yrs older but the same size as a skyline had plenty of room, certianly enough for someone over 6ft, anyone that tall would have to sit sideways in the back of any skyline.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by Moppie


The R34s are better in the frount, but they are a much bigger car than the R32 or R33.
Iv driven two R32 coupes, been in the back of both of them, as well as a R32 4dr. My Civic has more room in back than either the coupe or the 4dr, and when given the choice of getting in the back of the skyline 4dr or my Civic when heading to the beach everyone jumped for a spot in my Civic.
The driving position is not much better, the Skyline is BIG car, yet there is not a lot of room in it, most ppl know how short I am, yet I found it cramped and clustrophobic. There is enough room for a tall person, but I know someone who's 120kg plus and dosnt drive his R32 Coupe because he finds it to tight a fit.

I have never been in an R33, but being based on the same platform as he R32 I imagine its not much better. (Im open to correction here)
I know the R34 coupe is much better from a frount seat perspective, the center consoul and sills are much lower, however the back seat is still next to useless for anyone but kids. And simple look through the back window of the R34 4drs that are starting to show up will show you there is still only a few inchs of leg room in the back. My old dead Triumph a car over 20yrs older but the same size as a skyline had plenty of room, certianly enough for someone over 6ft, anyone that tall would have to sit sideways in the back of any skyline.

LOL! If Jonah can fit in an R34 GTR with ease, I think we can end ANY doubts over R34 frontal-inerior space :silly2: I can understand how a big guy would find an R32 a tight squeeze I'm a slim bugger and even I found the R32 a little challenging

Would you happen to know how long an R34 sedan is??? I know my 156 2.5 was shorter- and trust me it had 2 times the leg room and similar performance to the R34 non-GTR- for roughly the same price (If you compare two models of same year/mileage) not to mention it is better to drive and looks 1,000,000 times better, don't even start me on how much better the induction noise is.

Cliff notes- screw an R34 sedan- if you want an able sport sedan with flair, performance, Ferrari-rivalling sound, luxury, space and handling/braking- get an Alfa Romeo 156 V6- The reliability issues are minor and the build quality is tops as well

[TatII]

well i would assume that the base model skylines are the size of my S14 if not alittle bigger. well for me thats plenty enough space. i've sat in the back seat of my own car many times *the times when i'm just too lazy to drive* and i'm pretty comfortable in it. and most girls thinks the back seat is roomy enough. well even roomy enough to fall asleep in. *but they all weight around 100lbs lolz* and i got a friend whos 5'10" and weights 220lb and he fits in the back seats no problem. so i guess its what you consider cramped. i mean my cars interior is small but it still has more space then it you would expect.

[Moppie]

Tat stop sticking up for something you have never seen let alone sat in.
And yes any of the 200sx or 180sx or Silvia or 240sx models does have more room in the back seat.
There is more room between the frount of the back seat and back of the frount seat, as well as a longer deeper back seat base that angles your legs up and lets them fit in a tight space.
All the skyline models have VERY limited room between the back and frount seats, and very flat back seat base. Then due to the size of the engine there is not as much frount leg room as you would think.
In the 4WD models its even worse, as the g/box is so large there is a hump in the passanger side floor which limits leg room even more.
Im 5ft 7 and sitting in the back of a 4dr R32 with the frount seat pushed forward on its rails so the guy sitting in it was uncomfterble my legs were still squashed up against his seat back.
The coupe was a little better, my legs were not pushed as tight against the seat back, but there was no room to stretch them out.

[RazorGTR]

Actually mopie my flatmate's S13 has about the same leg room in the back compared to all the base model Skylines though it seems to have a wee bit more in the front. Since we are the same height it is a real comparison.
The seats in the GTR make sitting in the back not so bad though oddly enough. The design allows even taller people then us to sit comfy in the back. Go figure.

Considering I have owned a GTS, GTS-t and now the GTR in the R32 range I can speak from good experience in seating positions and the GTR I have to have the bloody front seat quite a ways forward due to sitting in the seat and not on the seat. The seats are race style with great latteral support where as the base models including the GTS4 you sit on them and not in them, though the front seats do offer a wee bit of support as compared to regular buckets.

The R33 offers a wee bit more leg room in the front but the back seat is defineatly better though boot space is worse yet taller. The R32 has a deeper boot and the R33 has a taller boot due to the battery being located in the boot instead of the engine bay.

R32 and R33 GTR
Now just to correct a couple of guys the factory gearbox in the GTR is not as strong as everyone makes them out to be. They are good for about 550 hp before they begin to shit themselves. While they are internally stronger than the GTS4 with slightly larger gears and shafts and that is marginally larger they are not as strong as the 6 speed supra boxes. The weakest links are also the syncros which nearly ever single R32 and R33 box are shat by time we get the cars down here. You can upgrade them to a full OS Giken set but at around $5,000 NZD for the kit alone it is not cheap but the gears, shafts and bearings are nearly 1/3 thicker and also is a double syncro setup as compared to the factory single setup.
The factory motors are good for about 600hp before you wind up with rod bolt stretching, and the cast pistons are good for about 1.3 bar before they also being to crush the ring lands. Forged pistons and ARP rod bolts sure up the weakness there and those upgrades will allow you an additional 200hp before you should do the con rods and crank. So if you think about it going from a proclaimed 280hp to 800 hp before chaning the crank is not so bad.