eclipse...or trans am?

corwin06 · #1 10-24-2007, 08:43 PM

well....im looking for a car now....ive narrowed it down to and 97-99 eclipse GST or a 4 gen. trans am.....ive been trying to find performance specifications, but failing, so the question is, which one to get, and trying to find out some eclipse performance specs...

TalonEclipseMixGsx · #2 10-24-2007, 09:20 PM

Seriously man come on. You asked an eclipse forum what car is better. Of course we are going to say eclipses. It's all what you want out of the car and what mods you plan on doing. DSM's have a wide variety of aftermarket performance parts. With little money and free mods a turbo'd awd dsm will be able to take down a stock trans am with ease.

Search yahoo or google and you will find out what a dsm is capable of and what parts and $ it takes to get you to a certain HP goal.

If you want a car thats already fast and don't want to do any work to it then get the trans am. I don't know about you but I enjoy knowing that I can hold my own against most stock and lightly modded v8's in my little 4 cylinder. Just so you know the 2g eclipses came out of the factory with 210 hp to the engine.

Welcome to AF, and if you decide on the eclipse, let us know, we are always glad to offer help to a fellow DSM'er.

rickyrickster25 · #3 10-24-2007, 09:58 PM

Get an eclipse, you wont be dissapointed...

Blackcrow64 · #4 10-25-2007, 06:41 AM

Well I have nothing bad to say about either car... Personally if you are considering a turbo DSM then I would go all out on it and make sure you find an AWD model. Trust me on this one, the AWD makes a huge difference from the FWD models for launching at the track and overall handling... I can tell you that you can pick up a nice GSX or 4g Trans Am for about the same price... The Trans Am might be slightly more if your looking for one with the LS1 in it rather than the LT1... I have seen DSM's that are built anywhere from factory 210hp all the way up to 1000hp... All are impressive and can handle quite the challenge from a decently modded f-body. Of course if you have the money to spend on the Trans Am, then it can be built to be so much more powerful than the GSX but you will lose out on traction and launching naturally... The GSX will have crazy power off the line and no problems with traction... Unless you build a ridiculous GSX then I have seen them spin all 4 wheels off the line and have trouble hooking up. I guess it really depends on what you want out of the car and what your plans are for it... If your going stock for stock, I'd take the Trans Am hands down. More power and its just so sexy looking... If your gonna do some slight modding, then the GSX can have more power for very little money, whereas the Trans Am will cost more to upgrade... If your going all out with a ridiculous build, then it could go either way...

Wow, that turned out a bit longer than I thought it was gonna be. lol Sorry...

At least you got an opinion from a great fan of both cars. lol

corwin06 · #5 10-25-2007, 10:58 PM

yeah i was kinda thinking that everyone was thinking eclipse....ive been looking on carsoup autotrader ect. ect. and i just cant find any good GSX's, there all have an automatic tranny....if i did by a GSX what mods would you suggest putting in if you had like 500-750$$ to spend?

Thor06 · #6 10-26-2007, 12:22 AM

My objective advice: get an Eclipse GSX or a Talon TSI AWD. If you cannot find an AWD DSM then dont bother with the GST, head for the Trans Am. However, dont bother with the V6. That is from a performance stang point of course, if its just going to be a get around car with some spunk then whatever.

Blackcrow64 · #7 10-26-2007, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by corwin06

if i did by a GSX what mods would you suggest putting in if you had like 500-750$$ to spend?

Intake, 3" exhaust, aftermarket blow off valve, NGK plugs, heavier plug wires, manual boost controller, AFC or GM Maft and translator, front mount intercooler and intercooler pipes... All in all you should be able to turn up the boost on the turbo to a happy 14psi or so and tune it all up and it should run around 250ish or so I would think... Once you get more money, upgrade the turbo to an evo 16g or something of that size and upgrade your fuel pump and injectors and you could push up to 350ish hp on a good tune...

That is one good thing about these cars, you can upgrade them for a relatively good price and the stock internals are rated to be good to about 400hp before needing upgraded...

Thor06 · #8 10-26-2007, 10:17 AM

Brian, you'd never get all that shit for $750. If you got all used you'd be doing really good to get it under a grand.

First off, make sure your routine maintenance is done. After that, I would suggest a K&N filter ($40), a 3" exhaust (go used if you can, $350+), a 1g BOV ($25), MBC (get a JoeP, $40), and a boost guage($40+) first, that should shoot your $750 pretty quick. If you have some spare cash after that, a hard upper intercooler pipe would be good. That should give your car a little more pep, but keep in mind if you want a fast car you are going to have to spend more than $750.

SilvrEclipse · #9 10-26-2007, 11:07 AM

I think brian was just giving ideas of what should be done to the car, not necisarily using that budget. A FMIC and gm maf isin't really needed, the stock side mount should be fine untill you get the 16g.

Blackcrow64 · #10 10-26-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SilvrEclipse

I think brian was just giving ideas of what should be done to the car, not necisarily using that budget.

Yeah pretty much. lol... I know you could do a good bit of the smaller stuff under the 750 mark, but I knew the rest would come after. Hence why I said "once you get more money" lol...

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Originally Posted by SilvrEclipse

A FMIC and gm maf isin't really needed, the stock side mount should be fine untill you get the 16g.

True... I guess I was just doing it all in a safer conservative manner... I would hate to see somebody get a bigger turbo and not run a front mount and be running too lean and run into problems cause of it...

Thor06 · #11 10-26-2007, 03:01 PM

You mean you dont want them to knock right?

I'm just going to follow you around and contradict the hell out of you today.

defiancy · #12 10-26-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thor06

You mean you dont want them to knock right?

I'm just going to follow you around and contradict the hell out of you today.

Haha. I think you should do this even when Brian is right. Just keep arguing the loosing side as fact.

corwin06 · #13 10-26-2007, 05:56 PM

now for the second question

i cant find any manual GSX's anywhere....only GST's, why are the GST's so bad? i know there front wheel drive and stuff.....but can anyone hook me up with some links to proper car sites?

Blackcrow64 · #14 10-26-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by corwin06

i cant find any manual GSX's anywhere....only GST's, why are the GST's so bad?

Because the wheel hop is ridiculous and you will have an easier chance at breaking things with more power on a GST... Did you try searching for Eagle Talon TSi AWD's? They will run much cheaper than a GSX will and there are probably more of them than GSX's for sale.

bryan_bigd · #15 10-28-2007, 11:03 PM

you dont break more on a gst. you would break less. you just burn out instead of with the awd you break stuff. i have both. i have a 1995 talon awd with about 5 houndred horses and a 1997 gst spider with about 320 hp. of course the talon will blow the wheels off but i love driving the spider almost as much. and as far as the wheel hop. i just bought eibock pro springs and polyeuiphane motor mounts and it got rid of that. dont get me wrong it still burns out but it is better. oh and i have raced trans am ls1, and 350z with some preformance stuff done and the eclipse is dead even with them. i get them a little on the launch. so if you are not planning on drag racing it then you really dont need the awd. plus the fwd is geared higher and i get 29 mpg in it. 22-24 in the talon.

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