No start condition 91 civic

[Flycyhm]

Ok, It's not like the car sat for a year or two, just 2 months! In summer/fall climate! Waiting for a starter, which I just changed, and now the stupid car won't start.

It seems to have spark, and it cranks great. Batt is strong, spark is good, but I cannot smell any fuel, so I am guessing it's the fuel.

Anyone got any idea's otherwise, or anyway to check the fuel pump? I cannot locate any fuses or relays for the fuel pump. Is there a fuel pump cutoff relay somewhere?

Any idea's would be appreciated.


Thanks
Flycyhm

[b16a3sol]

get a manual, then do what it tells you to do for checking the fuel pressure. you could also just take one of the lines off the filter and have someone turn the key to the 'on' position and see if gas sprays at you. i would get a manual.

[Flycyhm]

Get a manual? Ok, so why did I bother coming here then?

Thanks, I only hope someone else has a better idea than to get a manual, maybe take it to a dealer???


Sorry, I'm just a little pissed that it won't start.

Still. Although I would like to check the fuel pump, just not sure where it is located. Is there any technical specs available on this site?


Flycyhm

[civickiller]

1 take off the gas cap then turn the key on not start but on. while someone put the key on you have to put your ear to the gas cap filler thingy, you hsould hear a whining noise whne the key is turned on. taht indicates that the pump is working, if you dont hear anything when the key is turned on then its your pump or a blown fuse somewhere. but remember you cant turn the key on then get out of the car and go listen, it needs to be done at the same time.

2 what the other guy said, take the fuel filter off then turn the key on, if fuel coms squirting at you then your pump works

also are you 100% sure theres spark ? because you said it seems like theres spark.

if theres spark, and fuel comes out of the fuel line, then try put the fuel filter back on and then turn the key on again, fuel should come out. i would also venture out to say that if there is fuel getting in there and theres spark and tis still not starting. then try and take out the sparka plugs and put alittle bit of oil in there because since the car has been for a while the oil drained out of the engine so theres no oil there to seal the rings, if its not sealed then there wont be compression so it wont start.

[Flycyhm]

Ok, I will try the fuel checks today for sure.

The reason I'm a little unsure about the spark is because I did check for spark. I took out a plug, and set it aside with the wire hooked up, and had a friend crank. It sparked. I also checked all the plugs, which are new only a few months ago, and they are all a nice golden brown colour, very consistent. What bothered me is, as much as I hate using starting fluid, I was getting a little sick of playing with it, and I took out a plug, shot a little ether down the whole, and replaced the plug and cranked. Nothing, not even one little pop. I found that interesting.

I think today I might pop off the oil filler cap and crank. If there was no compression, I should be able to feel the cylinder blowby right?

Thanks for the help! Off to go play some more, so glad I have the day off today!


Flycyhm

[ivymike1031]

If there was no compression, I should be able to feel the cylinder blowby right?

Not unless you get it running first.

[Flycyhm]

Cranking will not cause enough blowby air to feel throught the open oil filler cap?

I figured it would... is there a simple way to be sure compression is not the problem?

Perhaps pulling a spark plug and cranking, looking for a noticable speed difference in cranking?


Flycyhm

[pvang31019]

either buy a manual and troubleshoot or prepare to pay money...Don't bitch at other people because you can't get your car to work

Why are people so ignorant.

even if you can hear teh fule pump priming, you might not have enough pressure to actually start and run the motor

[ivymike1031]

Originally posted by Flycyhm
Cranking will not cause enough blowby air to feel throught the open oil filler cap?
I figured it would... is there a simple way to be sure compression is not the problem?
Perhaps pulling a spark plug and cranking, looking for a noticable speed difference in cranking?
Flycyhm

My first response to this seems to have evaporated...

Cranking will likely not result in sufficient blowby to notice it through the filler cap.

You can improve compression, as was mentioned earlier, by adding a mL or so of oil to each cylinder. You can check the compression with a compression tester, available on loan from many auto parts stores (Autozone in this area).

Check your cap and rotor for corrosion. As was mentioned earlier, pull a fuel line and check for fuel. If your fuel tank is close to empty, fill it up with fresh gas (old gas is often bad gas). Try adding a can of water remover to your fuel tank. If it still doesn't run, verify the cam phasing. Try cranking at WOT for a little while and see if it helps. Don't crank for more than 10 or 15 seconds at a time.

[Freeman]

Originally posted by Flycyhm
Ok, It's not like the car sat for a year or two, just 2 months! In summer/fall climate! Waiting for a starter, which I just changed, and now the stupid car won't start.

It seems to have spark, and it cranks great. Batt is strong, spark is good, but I cannot smell any fuel, so I am guessing it's the fuel.

Anyone got any idea's otherwise, or anyway to check the fuel pump? I cannot locate any fuses or relays for the fuel pump. Is there a fuel pump cutoff relay somewhere?

Any idea's would be appreciated.


Thanks
Flycyhm

Take your distributor cap off and have a friend crank it over. If
the rotor doesn't turn, than replace your timing belt/chain.

[b16a3sol]

you should buy a manual because it saves people from posting useless shit like, "how do i check if there is fuel pressure." in the manual is the answer to that question, along with what would prevent fuel from reaching the cylinder, and how to fix it. once the part that is failing is determined, the manual will then tell you how to replace it, with pictures, which it seems would help you out a lot. dont get sand in your vagina when you are told to buy a manual, because the only reason anyone else on here knows how to fix their cars is because they bought a manual. nobody is born the knowledge of the stock fuel pressure in a 94-95 b16a3 motor. somone had to look it up in a manual so they could tell lazy ass people like you. buy a manual, read it, then come back and ask some questions.