retarded people

[highteknology]

so i'm listening to the normal radio morning show that i like and they are talking how the use of birth control is aiding the the fact that people are not getting married as much as they used. Some girl calls in and says she and her boyfriend just graduated high school and she is already six months pregnant. The female DJ host went off on her saying how she is dumb, blah blah blah. it was hilarious.

This just made me realize how stupid some people are when it comes to an issue like this. Personally, i wrap it up and my g/f is on the pill. My sister's boyfriend however does NOT wrap it up. this is one thing i'm constantly criticizing my sis for. I pretty much have to act like her dad now due to some family stuff. While i know that she is on the pill it does not protect her from STD's, which i don't think she fully understands the risk.

Enough of my rant. Don't be stupid, if birth control was used like it should be i would not have to post this thread because retarded people would not be here

[Cl0ak]

Eat a carrot before unprotected sex and you won't get aids or get pregnant.

True fact. Spread knowledge.

[TexasF355F1]

Should have gone to my school. Damn near every hispanic girl had at least had 1 kid by graduation. One girl I remember in particalar, had a baby just prior to 10th grade, then prego again at the end of the year, and by the time we graduated she had a total of 3 kids.

[beef_bourito]

that's incredible.

and i believe that, if used correctly (i.e. not ingesting things that will decrease the effectiveness of the pill) the pill is more effective than condoms (what i think, can't be sure though) at reducing pregnancy. now if both parties have been tested for STD's there's a much lower chance of catching them and i'd consider myself pretty safe (considering neither parties cheats during the relationship).

i've had unprotected sex once (pulled out way before climax) and was kind of freaking out after. it's not something i'm going to do again unless i'm in a long term relationship and she's on the pill (i know the girl, friend with benefits). it's really not worth the risk for a bit of fun.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by beef_bourito

that's incredible.

and i believe that, if used correctly (i.e. not ingesting things that will decrease the effectiveness of the pill) the pill is more effective than condoms (what i think, can't be sure though) at reducing pregnancy. now if both parties have been tested for STD's there's a much lower chance of catching them and i'd consider myself pretty safe (considering neither parties cheats during the relationship).

i've had unprotected sex once (pulled out way before climax) and was kind of freaking out after. it's not something i'm going to do again unless i'm in a long term relationship and she's on the pill (i know the girl, friend with benefits). it's really not worth the risk for a bit of fun.

Very true.

My friend told me he never used a condom with his ex-fiance since she was on the pill. He said he always just finished up in her. He said he wasn't really that concerned about her getting pregnant. Pretty crazy if you ask me.

[highteknology]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

Very true.

My friend told me he never used a condom with his ex-fiance since she was on the pill. He said he always just finished up in her. He said he wasn't really that concerned about her getting pregnant. Pretty crazy if you ask me.

the shitty thing today is the fact that girls can be so psycho that you can SAY their on the pill and then BAM 9 months later your payin child support.

[sganc4life_4]

My gf is on the pill and I used to freak out in the beginning and the first time I finished in her, but many times 2 months later, no babies. The pill works perfectly.

And for those girls who "say" theyre on the pill, just make sure you see the little envelope they come in and that they take it at the same time every day.

[gw84]

what pisses me offf are the people who don't financially have the ability to care for a child and wind up with one just becausse they're to irresponsible to care. It's either that or they don't like the way a condom feels so they don't use one. I know a guy who can barely afford to keep insurance on his car and neither he nor the ole lady have a "real" job, but guess what? yes, they're having a baby soon. Great, another child that I have to pay for because someone else can't be responsible

[scoobytuff]

Finances are a big deal, but if you wait until you can afford kids you'll never have 'em. This only applies to the people old enough to have children though. Everyone who is financially disadvantaged is not irresponsible, a lot of these people are very good careing parents. You guys laugh right now, but if your having sex there is always the possibility of pregnancy, birth control or not. Did you know some antibiotics can totally nullify the effects of birth control, that's something to think about. I know this because I've known people who it has happened to, and it just happened to my wife and I. I myself am a product of teen pregnancy, my Mother is a very good mother. I didn't check to see if there were any girls on this thread, but guys listen up. Fellas, you can't get pregnant no matter how hard you try, but you can get a girl pregnant. When a girl gets pregnant at a young age does that make her a retard? Is the general consensus that she will not be able to take care of her child. In most cases if the father is still around, he doesn't get ridiculed like the girl does. Now I do understand where you are coming from because I think a lot of people haven't figured out what causes pregnancy. Think about things before you judge a person, she can't just abandon the situation like a guy can. By the way, my mother had me at 16, she now has a law degree, and a Phd in education!

[gw84]

Originally Posted by scoobytuff

Finances are a big deal, but if you wait until you can afford kids you'll never have 'em. This only applies to the people old enough to have children though. Everyone who is financially disadvantaged is not irresponsible, a lot of these people are very good careing parents. You guys laugh right now, but if your having sex there is always the possibility of pregnancy, birth control or not. Did you know some antibiotics can totally nullify the effects of birth control, that's something to think about. I know this because I've known people who it has happened to, and it just happened to my wife and I. I myself am a product of teen pregnancy, my Mother is a very good mother. I didn't check to see if there were any girls on this thread, but guys listen up. Fellas, you can't get pregnant no matter how hard you try, but you can get a girl pregnant. When a girl gets pregnant at a young age does that make her a retard? Is the general consensus that she will not be able to take care of her child. In most cases if the father is still around, he doesn't get ridiculed like the girl does. Now I do understand where you are coming from because I think a lot of people haveben't figured out what causes pregnancy. Think about things before you judge a person, she can't just abandon the situation like a guy can. By the way, my mother had me at 16, she now has a law degree, and a Phd in education!

scooby has a good point that I hadn't thought of. First of all, I don't agree with the title of this thread, but I do understand what the thread starter is complaining about. Having seen this last post by scooby, I realized how many [younger] friends I have who have kids. I can think of several friends who have had kids while still in highschool. However, most of those young mothers are not together with the baby's daddy anymore, which is sad! I will eat my words about being able to support a child, however, it's my opinion that if a person or a couple is barely making it financially, a child is not the best idea. Finances are a big part of raising a child and that brings up another thing that pisses me off: people who live from paycheck to paycheck and get financial assistance (that I pay for) then drive their groceries home in a brand new car. Why the hell are you driving a brand new jaguar when you are unable to support yourself????????

[scoobytuff]

my point is this. Unexpected things happen, it does not make the person that gets pregnant irresponsable. I will say this though, I get sick of seeing some people swipe thier Lone Star card(aka Food Stamps in Texas) at the grocery store, with 3 or 4 kids in tow, wearing designer clothes, and loading up in thier Lincoln Navigator with 24" wheels. We pay for that crap. I amnot racist by any means, but I never see black or white people do this, the deck is just not stacked in our favor. The more children they have, the more financial aid they get. Did you know that well fare will pay for a portion of your car, possibly all of your rent? The more mouths you have to feed the more money you get. Most of these people are not even citizens of the U.S. It doesn't have as much to do with race as it has to do with who is able to take advantage of the government benefits. Now, on a different note, pregnancy seldom happens at an opportune time. This means that most people with children do not plan them. This is not from stupidity most times, it's like this, the more sex you have the better your chances are of getting pregnant. It's just a numbers thing, like the more you drive the greater your chances of an accident. What sucks about the people who can't take care of thier kids is that we pay for it. Our society allows it, we don't do anyting about it. Foster homes fill up and child protective services have never been busier. Society has no morals, or common sense for that matter any more. I think some of these people feel like they shouldn't have to think ahead because someone else will ultimatly clean up thier mess. There is a big difference between teen mothers and trashy people, some teen mothers are trashy while others are just unfortunate. Something to add for the guys who want to talk about this being a female problem, it wasn't immaculate conception.

[-Davo]

wall of text guys, paragraph your posts

I see it this way; they they get preggers before their 18, then good luck to them, if thats what they want then fantastic, but if it was a mistake, then she has to live with it for the rest of her life.

As long as it doesn't affect you, its all good.

[scoobytuff]

Davo is right. If they get pregnant anytime they should have to live with it. I know of too many girls who get prgnant and use abortion as a form of birth control. The ones that don't do that have several kids, by several different fathers. On the other hand those are the ones that make the people who have children young and take care of thier kids look bad. The bad cases are the only ones we hear about because nobody ever says " look at how well she takes care of her children and she's only 16". I do not condone teen pregnancy at all, but we can't look down our nose at these girls just because of thier age. As a man I can talk about this crap all day long. Since I can't get pregnant I couldn't tell you the first thing about being pregnant. Also since we can't get pregnant it's super easy to sit there and talk about how easy it is to prevent all of this. The problem with all of this is that when the girl gets pregnant she is ultimately left to hold the bag, and all we can do is sit back and comment on the problem, which doesn't help anything. How much different would the situation look if I were a female? That is a question I cannot answer because it won't happen. Since my mother was a teen mother herself I have a better idea how hard these people can have it. My mother is a good mother, always has been. She and my dad divorced when I was 5. After that my mother pretty much had it on her own, my dad was out partying and dating. Who got the short end of the stick on that deal, it wasn't my dad. He is also the kinda guy who sits back and talks about teen mothers being bad, I bet he didn't think that when he married my mother.

[xokayxo]

hightek:
i agree with you that birth control is allowing people to be more carefree about sex. people used to not have sex because if a baby was produced then a wedding was expected to follow. not so anymore. now there is birth control which is sex with (almost) no risk of pregnancy. in turn, people are getting more and more irresponsible, not taking their birth control on time or, like scooby said, taking antibiotics that negate the effects of the birth control.

but i HAVE to disagree with scooby:

Originally Posted by scoobytuff

Davo is right. If they get pregnant anytime they should have to live with it. I know of too many girls who get prgnant and use abortion as a form of birth control.

why should a girl "have to live with it" if she gets pregnant when she is young? how is it "her fault" or "her responsibility" to take care of that child? it takes two to tango, baby, and thats how babies are made! it is just as much a man's responsibility in deciding the fate of a baby as soon as it is known about. any man who walks out on a girl he has gotten pregnant should be.... i dont know, but he should be punished SEVERELY. if you're man enough to have sex you should be man enough to deal with the consequences.

now, in the case where a girl lied about taking birth control and said she was when she wasnt, that's just messed up. a girl who pulls a stunt like that also deserves to be punished severely. in that case, if she's woman enough to have sex, she should be woman enough to deal with the consequences!

as a girl, im telling you now that it is HELL in the circumstance where even when you ARE taking birth control (and are honest with your man about it) and your period is late. its scary when you have unprotected sex on birth control and something like that happens! luckily, i have never been pregnant and i've been taking birth control for about 4 years now.

Originally Posted by scoobytuff

The problem with all of this is that when the girl gets pregnant she is ultimately left to hold the bag, and all we can do is sit back and comment on the problem, which doesn't help anything.

"All we can do is sit back and comment on the problem"????? are you daft?? you could also keep your pants on!! lol. there is no reason why a girl should be the one to make a decision about what happens to a baby. two people made it, two people should decide its fate, whatever that may be.

[scoobytuff]

I'm not saying the girl is the only one responsible, but she is the one that if a man walks out, usually ends up taking care of the child. It's not right but it's far easier for a man to be irresponsible and walk off. That being said, either party is prone to be irresponsible. There aren't many times where you see a young father and ask "where is the mother". Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I in no way believe that a woman should be the one left holding the bag, it just works out that way sometimes. Sometimes even a grandparent or another relative gets to take care of the child. In my case, I have 2 boys. The oldest is biologically my child and the youngest is not. When my current wife and I got together the youngest was 4 months old. When she got pregnant with him, she was married to his biological father. When he found out she was pregnant, he left because he didn't want to be a father. This guy has 5 other kids by 5 different women, none of which he is responsible for or has ever seen. The only woman he has ever been married to is my wife, btw this guy is only 22 and the ages of the children are between 3-4 years old. No one can "make" him pay child support, I wouldn't want him to. I'm glad he is not in our life. The other women could probably use the money. There are so many other details to this that only muddy the waters. What I'm getting at is that even though it takes two to tango, the girl gets pregnant, the man leaves, who is still pregnant? Everybody should do something to help this situation if they can. You can't blame the pill, balme the people taking the pill, they make thier chioces. The consequences is where the problem lies. What do you do to a 19 year old single mother with 4 kids living off of the government? If you keep paying them to have children, some of them will keep squirting them out. Now about the fathers, something needs to be done about them as well. What do you do? Who knows, but what we are doing now obviously doesn't work.

I have 2 boys and a child on the way. I religiously pay my child support and do what I have to. As far as the fate of the child being up to the woman, it has nothing to do with MY pants. The guys who walk out make a crappy decision for the mother and the child. If you were left pregnant and the father was no where around, you would have some hard choices now wouldn't you, like or not , right or wrong.