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problem with Climate controll unit

hi guys. Im new to this whole setup, so things work untll i find out otherwise. currently my climate controll unit only displays 50 degrees as exterior temperature. I know its a lot warmer that 50, and I know it should have fluctuated a little by now.

Does anyone have any ideas what the problem might be? Wiring? outside temperature sensor? location? please reply soon. I want to get everything to work 100% in this car. Thanks
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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

The ambient temperature sensor for the ACC is located in front of the radiator area mounted on the back of the bumper support. Doesn't cost that much and easy to replace.



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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

alright, i'll try that first. Once i put a new one in, should it work right away, or do I have to reset it or something? Thanks!!!
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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

Its plug and play. No reset required. As a minimum turn the ACC manually to off before turning off ignition and then replace. Good luck.



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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

Replaced it, still didnt change from 50 degrees. Something else is wrong. Any ideas? Shorted of open circuit? Is there any way I can test it? thanks
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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

That doesn't sound good. You can ohm out the wiring from the sensor to the ACC head unit or check for the reference voltage at the electrical connector from the ACC head unit. Do you have the GM wiring diagram? Check the ACC and see if the maintenance man icon is on or flashing. The CJ2 ACC digital climate control systems have a diagnostic test that can be performed on the HVAC system without having to use a scanner.



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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

yes the man is flashing. I did push both knobs at the same time, and got some sort of wierd dumbers I didnt understand what to do with. Right now the unit works fine, ac works, defrost, heater, all work. Just is annoying the outside temp doesnt register.
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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

On-Board Diagnosis Mode
The CJ2 air conditioning is equipped with an on-board diagnostic feature which allows the heater-A/C control to detect certain system faults. The diagnostic feature may also be used to display certain data parameters. If the heater-A/C control detects a fault in the system, the man symbol will flash during the first 2 minutes of vehicle operation.

Entry into the diagnostic mode is gained by pressing in on both temperature knobs at the same time for 5 seconds. The following display modes are found within diagnostics:

The diagnostic pointer
The diagnostic value
By rotating the driver temperature knob one detent in either direction, the display is toggled between pointer and value. The value displayed is the decimal equivalent of the RAM contents. A 2 is formed using the minus sign and the leading 1 in order to display values over 199.

A diagnostic pointer mode is identified by a minus sign preceding the pointer number. The pointer provides an index, which identifies the corresponding diagnostic value. The diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) reside under diagnostic pointer -00. The pointer will be set to this position upon initial entry into diagnostics. If more than one code exists, the codes will be displayed sequentially at a rate of 2 seconds per fault. Rotating the passenger temperature knob will switch the diagnostic pointers. A wrap around feature is provided if the pointer is continued past either end. Other data used by the computer resides under different diagnostic pointers, and may not be of use in observing the system. Press any mode button in order to exit the diagnostic mode.


Important
A 2-digit trouble code indicates the fault is current. A 3-digit trouble code indicates a history fault.


Clearing Codes
Press the A/C mode button in order to clear codes from the heater-A/C control.

Any of the following components may cause malfunction in the temperature controls:

The refrigerant system
The electrical wiring connections
The vacuum connections
Faulty components that have mechanical problems, such as sticking valves
As a part of the diagnostic process inspect the following components:

The refrigerant, vacuum or mechanical systems. Refer to Vacuum Test .
The blower controls. Refer to 66-0 .
The compressor controls. Refer to Cell 67: RPO L36, L67 .
The air delivery controls. Refer to Power and Grounds .
The temperature controls. Refer to Electrical Diagnosis. Complete the diagnostic procedure for the heater A/C control microprocessor.


Make sure to turn the climate control off first, then hit both buttons at the exact same time. I know one time it took it like 5 seconds, the next time it took like 15.Then rotate the left knob until the desired number appears.

Position Description
-00 Error codes Click here for the Trouble Codes chart

-01 (servo position) 103-107 43-162
-02 (servo position) 128 120-202
-03 (servo position) 150 162-194
-04 CJ2 Fan Speed Low=15, 29, 44, 58, 71, 86, 110=High, CJ2 Unit will adjust to other increments as needed
-05 (servo position) 93 88-191
-06 (servo position) -152 00-252
-07 (servo position) 00 0, 34-255
-08 (servo position) -155 00-255
-09 (servo position) 00 0, 23-255
-10 ? 04 04
-11 CJ2 Vent Mode 1=Def, 2=Bilevel, 3=Auto, 4=Lower, 5=Def+Lower
-12 Engine Coolant Temp -60 degrees 80=104, 95=131, 100=140 Peak@135°F
-13 Actual Vehicle Speed in MPH
-14 (servo position) 00 21=0
-15 ? 39 44
-16 Radiator low fan turn on temp -106 207
-17 Radiator low fan turn off temp 196 199
-18 ? 50 51
-19 (servo position) 162-169 40-172
-20 Affected by cabin temp sensor 89 50-172
-21 (servo position) 00 ?
-22 Sunload Sensor -117 LIGHT=126, 218=DARK
To return to normal operation, press the MODE button next to the Passenger temperature knob.


This is a list of the Trouble Codes displayed by the CJ2 Unit.
A two digit code indicates a current fault while a three digit code indicates a historic fault.
Trouble Code Description
00 No System Fault
01 or 101 Inside Air Temperature Sensor Short
02 or 102 Inside Air Temperature Sensor Open
03 or 103 Ambient Outside Temperature Sensor Short
04 or 104 Ambient Outside Temerature Sensor Open
05 or 105 LH Electric Actuator Open or Short
06 or 106 RH Electric Actuator Open or Short
07 or 107 UART Serial Data Line Fault
08 or 108 Solar Sensor Open



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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

wow, ok, thankyou
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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

Just a little comment. My car was shooting out really warm air for like 2 days of Air condition use. It eventually began to get Ice Cold, i think it needed to get broken in after not being used for over a year
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Re: problem with Climate controll unit

Hey guys, I fixed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My new car had a different battery installed because the first one had corroded, so today i took the newer battery out, and cleaned up all the corrosion from the old one. After i lifted the battery ub i noticed two plugs not connected. Thinking that was odd, I hooked them back together. Put it all back together, got in, started it up, and outside temp now reads 66 degrees. Later in the day on my way to work, it read 74 then 75 then 76. On my way home, it read 65 then 64. It seems to be working, and Im really happy. Plan on changing the supercharger oil first thing in the morning. Thanks for all who have helped!!!!!
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