Evo vs. Viper

[Steiner]

I was trying to make a 100 octane/beer run before the start of the Warrior's game when I noticed a convertible red Viper merging onto the freeway just ahead of me. My buddy's egging me on to catch up but, partially due to the fact I've been having Viper wet-dreams for nearly 15 years now, I was pretty sure I would get my ass handed to me.



But I obliged my buddy and eventually pulled next to the Viper and, to my suprise, the guy driving was probably in his mid 30's. So instantly I'm jealous and I hate this guy for having a nicer car than me so I tell my buddy to get his attention. We go back and forth for a few miles trying hear each other at 75mph. It was a '94 Viper and he's the 2nd owner. That's all I know about the car. Needless to say he didn't ask me much about my car.

But nevertheless he agreed to have a little run when we get up the Altamont Pass and clear of the traffic in the Valley. Well this fucker punches it the first sniff of open roads he gets. I was in 5th instead of 4th so I let him go but...aha...he had tipped his hand and I have to say...I was not that impressed. It may be an exotic, a 10 year old exotic, but it didn't pull as hard as I'd expected. It also sounded like a UPS truck.

We found some space for a few runs...nothing you could call a legit side-by-side, on the count of three, type of race though...unfortunately. The best one started with him about 2 cars in front of me and 2 lanes over. I was in 4th doing about 4k RPM's and I punched it when he pulled his outstretched hand down - like he was signalling a start. I definately pulled and was pulling when he slowed down to negotiate a gradual turn. From 70mph to 100mph I had put my passenger door on his left rear tire. If I road 4th out (120mph) it felt like I could have pulled maybe a CL on him. I may never know. In any event I wanted to post this for you guys. I don't think I'm the only one who figured they were a little faster.

My mods are all the bolt-ons, IX turbo, cams and a 100 octane tune. Instead of telling you my dyno numbers (321whp/307wtq) I'll just let you know that this car dyno'd 323whp on the same dyno about 45 minutes before I was tuned. Here's a pic my tuner posted on his website...

[2000LS1Z28]

Hmm, pretty impressive. The 94 Vipers weren't all that badass. The 96+ ones you gotta watch out for. I know you are on a pessimistic dyno, but the 96+ versions actually had alot more then 450hp. Alot of them have dynoed around 390+whp on a dynojet, so it's obviously over the 450 flywheel horsepower quoted by the manufacturer.

Anyways, good kill. I'm sure your evo must be a blast to drive.

[Steiner]

Yeah it sounds like I would be in trouble with anything after the 1st generation. I'm trying find the Viper's curb weight online right now. I wonder if the 1st generation coupe (was there even one?) was any lighter than the vert.

The Evo is fun, thanks. Not much else I plan to do powerwise...maybe a 20G down the line and some no-tick lifters to eliminate some of the false knock the ECU is hearing when we try to tune. I'm gonna concentrate on suspension next with the hope of tracking the car at some point this summer. I've got a set of KW3 coilovers and Tein camber plates I'm planning to install either this weekend or next, then I'll get the car corner balanced and aligned.

[pimp349]

IIRC, the RT-10s had 450hp? Considering the weight difference, I'm not surprised at all.

[CassiesMan]

GT46R Turbo and a good tune with some methane injection from AMS and Vipers won't be a problem, lol.

[HondaChili]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

GT46R Turbo and a good tune with some methane injection from AMS and Vipers won't be a problem, lol.

Pretty sure 46R is overkill. 42R is sufficient.

[CassiesMan]

Coulda been a 42...I'm trying to remeber the video and I can't find it where Chris's AMS EVO runs one of the new SRT-10s and pulls out a bit on the top end.

[CassiesMan]

Actually, nix that. It was still on the GT35R with the 2.3L Stroker kit at the time, and the Viper had a Paxton Novi 2000 on it. Least, thats what the video says. He doesn't pull on the Viper, but he is walking it down hard, and the Viper had about a car or so head start.

[HondaChili]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Actually, nix that. It was still on the GT35R with the 2.3L Stroker kit at the time, and the Viper had a Paxton Novi 2000 on it. Least, thats what the video says. He doesn't pull on the Viper, but he is walking it down hard, and the Viper had about a car or so head start.

That sounds about right. But even with the stroker and 35R running c16, that car prolly only be pushing around 600 hp at most. Then again 600 Hp on EVO = sick ass mofo car!

[CassiesMan]

638AWHP@35psi vs. 668rear in the Viper. Evo also had four people in the car.

[HondaChili]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

638AWHP@35psi vs. 668rear in the Viper. Evo also had four people in the car.

Damn 35 psi, didn't think the 35 R can sustain that safely. Are we still talking about the same EVO here?

[RACER D12]

Good runs steiner!



Hondachilli Im soo jealous dude. Your supra looks real clean!

[TatII]

hondachili, i showed you that video!!!! remember there was two versions? one was the filmed from the viper, and the other one was filmed in the evo. both versions showed that as the evo was gaining on him, the viper let off and started cheering like "yeah!!! we got him!!"

but on the evo's side, they were laughing becasue after when the viper shut down, the camera man turned the camera around and it shows 2 passengers in the back seat!

same AMS evo that was destroying everything. and that was when it was running just a GT35R, now its running a GT42R making 45 psi with 9500rpm of revs and 1000whp.

now back to the topic, the first gen vipers only had 400 crank hp so yeah steiner's evo should take that win no doubt about it.

[HondaChili]

TAT, you showed me way too many videos. I can't remmeber them all. All I know is that the AMS evo before they hit the 1000 mark had a 35 R in it. And yes with those upgrades Evos should be reeling in vipers.


Racer D12 - Thanks very much. Trust me, the picture hides away the imperfections.

[209 SRT]

kinda off topic but hey stiener since your in our area you should go to kingdon race way this weekend...