Cobalt SS supercharge or the dodge srt.. which has the most upgrading potential

[kjames]

Im tring to decied on the two I think im more for the cobalt I like the looks alot better and I just dont like the idea of buying a neon even though its suppose to kick the cobalts ass I dont think by much though

[-Jayson-]

stock SRT4 and Stock SS are pretty much a drivers race. Although im think the SRT4 is a bit faster, by like .2-.3 tenths of a second in the quarter mile. As far as upgrading to pure raw power potential. Id say the SRT4. It wasnt made to be anything but fast. THe SS is a bit more than speed but still has alot of potential to upgrade. My SS should be a high 13 second car when i learn to drive a tad bit better and ive spent a total of 300 dollars in mods.

[Hinshawwrx]

The SRT4 takes better to mods by far. Thats usually what happens when you have a turbo charged car.

The Cobalt SS S/c is no longer in production for model year 08. Which is also true with the SRT4, it was gone in 06. The SRT4 has better after market support.

[-Jayson-]

but in late 08 early 09 the cobalt will have a turbo

[Hinshawwrx]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

but in late 08 early 09 the cobalt will have a turbo

Theres never been any truth to that. Cobaltss.net were saying Turbo Cobalt for 2008, and after months of telling them it won't happen people started creating fake "evidence" as to it coming. And now look at the 2008 Cobalt lineup, not even an SS model, you'll have LS LT and Sport.

The fact is there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that the Cobalt will be Turbo'd in any model year.

But there is evidence to show the Cobalt won't last past 2009 model year.

[-Jayson-]

i live in dearborn michigan and right outside of detroit. I know many people that work for GM and help design and test the cars GM makes. Trust me, there will be a turbo cobalt.

[Schrade]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

Trust me, there will be a turbo cobalt.

I think your lyin'...

...and I live in Snow Hill, NC. So THERE!!!

[-Jayson-]

Originally Posted by cbec1999

I think your lyin'...

...and I live in Snow Hill, NC. So THERE!!!

i dont give a rats ass what you think, cause you obviously dont know why dearborn michigan has by far the largest significance to the automotive world of any city in the world. Ive seen prototype cars that you never even knew existed.

[daveshapellSVT]

i think gm would have had better sell numbers if the dealers didn't mark up the price 2-3k. every cobalt ss/sc i've looked into cost 23-24k. Not a fair price for a car thats suppose to cost you 20-21k. I think if the sc cobalt sold for 20k even it woulda done much better. On the same note though most ppl will go to dodge for an srt-4 cause it's cheaper and better in almost every way. When the sc cobalt first came out i didn't even know they were being sold for months. theres not many of them around here. i don't think they sold well around here.

[-Jayson-]

Originally Posted by daveshapellSVT

i think gm would have had better sell numbers if the dealers didn't mark up the price 2-3k. every cobalt ss/sc i've looked into cost 23-24k. Not a fair price for a car thats suppose to cost you 20-21k. I think if the sc cobalt sold for 20k even it woulda done much better. On the same note though most ppl will go to dodge for an srt-4 cause it's cheaper and better in almost every way. When the sc cobalt first came out i didn't even know they were being sold for months. theres not many of them around here. i don't think they sold well around here.

please explain why you think srt4 is better in almost every way?

[daveshapellSVT]

Well first off it's a turbo car and the cobalt is a roots type blower which is limitted to the amount of boost it can produce. roots type blowers also have cooling issues.the srt-4 has bigger displacment,front mount intercooler, and a very stout motor. Each stage kit produces greater power then the cobalt stage kits. stock for stock it's much faster. after 03 they came standard with a limitted slip. the cobalt you have to pay a grand more to get that. which brings me to the price. thousands less for the srt4. the cobalt supposedly handles better stock for stock, but the srt4 has independent rear suspention. if i'm not mistaken the cobalts have a torsion beam or whatever the proper name for it is. In my opinion the seats in the srt4 are much nicer too. i have more reasons why i think the srt4 is better this is just some of them. i'm not a big srt4 fan, but it's definately the better bang for the buck. i'm guess thats probably why the cobalt didn't do so great in the market. that and the imports out there.

[-Jayson-]

ehh all your arguments are on power and performance. The cobalt wasnt made to compete with the SRT4. It was made to compete with things like the Civic Si, VW Jetta, and other more refined compacts. I personally think the Cobalt is much better looking and the interior is much more comfortable. The Recaro seats and very nice. The upgrade isnt bad, i have the LSD and Recaro seats, finale sticker was 21,000. ABout the same for the SRT4. Cobalt handles alot nice and the ride is alot nicer as well.

HP per liter the Cobalt makes more. Turbos are limited by the amount of boost they can make, just like blowers. Not really a heat issue since the car comes with a water-air intercooler.

A turbo Cobalt will own a Turbo SRT4. Mild turbo kits on cobalts are netting around 300WHP.

SRT4 is definitely bigger bang for the buck when it comes to pure speed, cobalt is a much better all around car when your looking for bang for your buck.

SRt4 has mroe displacement but isnt as efficient.

I copied this from another forum, but lets you know how efficient the cobalt 2.0 ecotec engine is compared to other boosted cars. Also remember, most cobalts dyno around 215WHP, thats about 240 crank HP stock. Or about 120HP per liter. That would make the Cobalt SS Supercharged the 4th most powerful bang for you buck forced induction engine on the market today.

There has been much debate on many forum's about the output of GM's new Supercharged 2.0L Ecotec. Is it enough power for a 2.0L? Well since I was bored at work today, I went through my Car and Driver 2005 Buyers Guide and calculated the Horsepower per Litre numbers for every supercharged and turbo charged car. here is the results ranked in order.

1. Mercedes Maclearn SLR. 5.4L 617HP = 114.26HP/L
2. Mercedes C230 1.8L 189HP = 105.00HP/L (tie)
2. Mini Cooper S 1.6L 168HP = 105.00HP/L (tie)
4. Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 3.2L 330HP = 103.16HP/L
5. Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged
/ Saturn ION Red line 2.0L 205HP = 102.50HP/L
6. Ford GT 5.4L 550HP = 101.85HP/L
7. Mosler MT900 5.7L 560HP = 98.25HP/L
8. Jaguar XKR/XJR/S type-R 4.2L 390HP = 92.86HP/L
9. Mercedes CL55/S55/SL55 5.4L 493HP = 91.30HP/L (tie)
9. Panoz Esperante 4.6L 420HP = 91.30HP/L (tie)
11. Mercedes E55 5.4L 469HP = 86.85HP/L
12. Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 3.8L 260HP = 68.42HP/L
13. Buick Park Avenue/Chevrolet Impala SS/
Monte Carlo SS S/C 3.8L 240HP = 63.16HP/L :huh?:

So the Cobalt has the 5th most HP/L out of all North American Supercharged Production cars. And if you notice 3 of the cars that beat it were Mercedes, whose AMG arm Supercharge everything under the sun. And the cars it makes more power then are a pretty good group too.

Now Turbocharging a car can make power easier and usually results in higher numbers of HP/L. I have made a list of ALL THE SUPERCHARGED AND TURBOCHARGED cars sold in North America rank best to worst. Again the Cobalt fares pretty well.

1. Mitsubishi EVO VIII 2.0L 276HP = 138.00HP/L Turbo
2. Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6L 457HP = 126.94HP/L Turbo
3. Audi TT Quattro 1.8L 225HP = 125.00HP/L Turbo
4. Subaru WRX STi 2.5L 300HP = 120.00HP/L Turbo (tie)
4. Volvo S60R/V70R 2.5L 300HP = 120.00HP/L Turbo (tie)
6. Mercedes Maclearn SLR. 5.4L 617HP = 114.26HP/L Super
7. Subaru WRX 2.0L 227HP = 113.50HP/L Turbo
8. Saab 9-5 Aero 2.3L 250HP = 108.70HP/L Turbo
9. Vovlo S60/ V70 2.4L 257HP = 107.08HP/L Turbo
10. Mercedes C230 1.8L 189HP = 105.00HP/L Super (tie)
10. Mini Cooper S 1.6L 168HP = 105.00HP/L Super (tie)
10. Saab 9-3 Aero 2.0L 210HP = 105.00HP/L Turbo (tie)
13. Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 3.2L 330HP = 103.16HP/L Super
14. Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged
/ Saturn ION Red line 2.0L 205HP[/B ] = 102.50HP/L Super
15. Ford GT 5.4L 550HP = 101.85HP/L Super
16. Mercedes CL65/SL65 6.0L 604HP = 100.67HP/L Turbo
17. Subaru Legacy GT 2.5L 250HP = 100.00HP/L Turbo (tie)
17. Volkswagen/Audi Jetta/ Golf GTi/TT 1.8L 180HP = 100.00HP/L Turbo (tie)
18. Mazda Mazdaspeed Miata 1.8L 178HP = 98.89HP/L Turbo
19. Maybach 57/62 5.5L 543HP = 98.73HP/L Turbo
20. Mosler MT900 5.7L 560HP = 98.25HP/L Super
21. Dodge SRT-4 2.4L 230HP = 95.83HP/L Turbo
22. Saab 9-5 Arc 2.3L 220HP = 95.65HP/L Turbo
23. Audi/Volkswagen A4/Passat 1.8L 170HP = 94.44HP/L Turbo
24. Jaguar XKR/XJR/S type-R 4.2L 390HP = 92.86HP/L Super
25. Audi All Road 2.7L 250HP = 92.54HP/L Turbo
26. Volvo S80 2.5L 208HP = 92.41HP/L Turbo
27. Bentley Continnental GT 6.0L 551HP = 91.83HP/L Turbo
28. Chrysler PT Cruiser GT 2.4L 220HP = 91.67HP/L Turbo
29. Mercedes CL55/S55/SL55 5.4L 493HP = 91.30HP/L Super (tie)
29. Panoz Esperante 4.6L 420HP = 91.30HP/L Super (tie)
31. Mercedes CL600/SL600/S600 5.5L 493HP = 89.64HP/L Turbo
32. Mercedes E55 5.4L 469HP = 86.85HP/L Super
33. Saab 9-3 2.0L 170HP = 85.00HP/L Turbo
34. Vovlo V70/S80/S60 2.5L 208HP = 83.20HP/L Turbo
35. Volkswagen Turbo Beetle 1.8L 150HP = 83.00HP/L Turbo
36. Volvo S40/V50 2.5L 218HP = 80.74HP/L Turbo
37. PT Cruiser Touring 2.4L 180HP = 75.00HP/L Turbo
38. Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 3.8L 260HP = 68.42HP/L Super
39. Bentley Arnage 6.8L 450HP = 66.18HP/L Turbo
40. Buick Park Avenue/Chevrolet Impala SS/
Monte Carlo SS S/C 3.8L 240HP = 63.16HP/L Super

[daveshapellSVT]

You got a good deal at 21k cause here they are marked up a ton. with the options you have i saw one marked at 23k and i saw one sc at 24k at another dealership. As far as boost goes with a turbo. the srt4 can boost 20 plus psi and thats a very small turbo. when i was looking around at cobalts i believe i read 18psi with a stage two or three. i mean whats the max moost you can run with the stock blower setup? i know you can get different trim blowers put on but from what i read you couldn't run much more boost. The thing with the cobalt is is that it isn't setup for a turbo. you'll have to get an entirely different intake manifold. i didn't even know they made turbo kits for them i'd actually be interested in checking that out. I'm sure the ecotec 2.0 is built tough and can handle some big numbers but it's limmitted by that blower setup. the 2.4 srt4 motor is also very tough, in fact i might be so bold as to say 500hp on the stock block, as i've read and heard by many. maybe even more now.

[-Jayson-]

ehh 500HP on a stock block is really pushing it. The stock blower can make upwards of 21PSI. Problem is theres alot of heat. Yeah it needs an intake manifold for boost, but thats not really that hard or expensive. A few companies make them. The thing about the cobalt is, its got a blower on it, which means the engine is making alot more power, but its spending alot of hp to make the power.

It takes 30HP to turn 10PSI on the blower, so people like me pushing 16 PSI are losing somewhere around 50HP to the blower. A turbo swap would instantly put my car at 300WHP. Most people who do a mild turbo swap are making 300WHP easily.

The Ecotecs block is really strong, GM has a build book to build the block to 1000HP while keeping about 65% of the internals stock. The stock internals are only good for around 350WHP or so. BUt that is really no confirmed yet cause most people who blew there motors did it was a pulley that was to small and was making to much heat. A turbo should be different.

A the 2.0 Ecotec not setup for a turbo? Its the same engine thats in the Solstice GXP thats turbocharged. Same engine as the Saab 95 Turbos. This engine was designed for turbos, GM supercharged to try to do something different.

[daveshapellSVT]

way i see it is that the srt 4 is already a turbo car so thats less work right there. you can get a stage two kit for 1100 bucks brand new. i rather buy the srt4 instead of buying a cobalt switching it over to a turbo setup and then starting all over. plus what would you tune the cobalt with? I think the cobalt is setup nice with the supercharger and there are cheap easy mods to get some good power out of them, but your gonna reach a point where more boost isn't gonna help cause your super charger is making too much heat. With a turbo setup you just get a big front mount and boost away. I'd rather get a solstice GXP. rwd turbo car thats fairly light weight. Don't get me wrong the cobalt is good, but if your cost contious, and wanna make real power cheap you go with a srt4. i'm just putting it out there.