"Scooter" Libby,anyone?

[taranaki]

I find it rather odd that none of the members of this forum who vilify Bill Clinton for his alleged misconduct are rushing to vilify a convicted liar from the present administration, or the vice-President who compromised the identity of a CIA agent in the field simply because her spouse spoke out against the invasion of Iraq?


Those responsible for the invasion and occupation of Iraq have trashed the reputation of what America stands for and done far more damage than any private relationship between President Clinton and members of his staff. The prosecution of Libby without any indictment against his co-offenders is the equivalent of prosecuting Monica Lewinsky and giving Bill Clinton a free pass.

Are you going to call for further inquiries to expose those truly responsible, shall we have another Starr witch-hunt, or are you happy to cheapen your country's reputation by allowing a White House aide take jail time for the actions of his superiors?

Do you genuinely believe that politicians should be held accountable through the courts for their misdemeanours, or was it just an excuse for bashing Clinton?

The United States of America has suffered incalulable loss of international reputation at the hands of the Bush administration. Libby admitted he got his instructions to leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame from his boss, Vice President Dick Cheney. Why is Cheney not being held accountable?

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by taranaki

I find it rather odd that none of the members of this forum who vilify Bill Clinton for his alleged misconduct are rushing to vilify a convicted liar from the present administration, or the vice-President who compromised the identity of a CIA agent in the field simply because her spouse spoke out against the invasion of Iraq?


Those responsible for the invasion and occupation of Iraq have trashed the reputation of what America stands for and done far more damage than any private relationship between President Clinton and members of his staff. The prosecution of Libby without any indictment against his co-offenders is the equivalent of prosecuting Monica Lewinsky and giving Bill Clinton a free pass.

Are you going to call for further inquiries to expose those truly responsible, shall we have another Starr witch-hunt, or are you happy to cheapen your country's reputation by allowing a White House aide take jail time for the actions of his superiors?

Do you genuinely believe that politicians should be held accountable through the courts for their misdemeanours, or was it just an excuse for bashing Clinton?

The United States of America has suffered incalulable loss of international reputation at the hands of the Bush administration. Libby admitted he got his instructions to leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame from his boss, Vice President Dick Cheney. Why is Cheney not being held accountable?

I was hoping someone would bring up the Libby trial. Most people really don't understand how big of a deal this really is which honestly, I think if people who pay attention to to politics, this should be very very important topic of the present that should draw upon more underlieing questions about the people who have been assigned as head of our state. The way it seems to be heading as far as I'm concerned it quite disappointing....as I really want to know the truth and how far it extends.

As far as Clinton goes, I really didn't even think about it like that. I could refer this closer to something along the lines of Watergate as far as how important this should be. We're talking about only a handful of other people beyond Libby that are reguarded as a more higher and authoritive figure.

I think the main problem with really finding a definate and conclusive conclusion to this is primary evidence. How sweet it would be, yet it may be as hard as to ask a deaf person to listen!

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by taranaki

I find it rather odd that none of the members of this forum who vilify Bill Clinton for his alleged misconduct are rushing to vilify a convicted liar from the present administration, or the vice-President who compromised the identity of a CIA agent in the field simply because her spouse spoke out against the invasion of Iraq?

There was nothing alleged about what Clinton did. He admitted lieing under oath. He was disbarred and impeached.

You might also be interested to know that is was not Libby who outed the CIA agent. It was Richard Armitage. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/30/wa...erland&emc=rss

This case was about lying to a grand jury, not the outting of a CIA agent. The prosecution didn't even bring it up.

Aside from that, anyone who lies under oath deserves to be punished. The fact he has been found guilty and is looking at jail time is the right thing to have happened.

Those responsible for the invasion and occupation of Iraq have trashed the reputation of what America stands for and done far more damage than any private relationship between President Clinton and members of his staff. The prosecution of Libby without any indictment against his co-offenders is the equivalent of prosecuting Monica Lewinsky and giving Bill Clinton a free pass.

This has nothing to do with the trial of Libby.

Are you going to call for further inquiries to expose those truly responsible, shall we have another Starr witch-hunt, or are you happy to cheapen your country's reputation by allowing a White House aide take jail time for the actions of his superiors?

Witch hunt for what? The guy who did the outting has been identified and not being prosecuted. Perhaps he's not being prosecuted because he disagrees with the war in Iraq?

You, like many others seem to equate lieing under oath with taking a fall for someone else. What action did Cheney take? He ordered Libby to lie about what he thought Russert told him? Thats what he got convicted of.

Do you genuinely believe that politicians should be held accountable through the courts for their misdemeanours, or was it just an excuse for bashing Clinton?

The United States of America has suffered incalulable loss of international reputation at the hands of the Bush administration. Libby admitted he got his instructions to leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame from his boss, Vice President Dick Cheney. Why is Cheney not being held accountable?

Libby did not testify at his trial (a mistake in my opinion) and I can't find any evidence admitted in the case that says Cheney told him to out Plame. He said Cheney told him about Plame but nothing about being told to leak the name.

Again, Richard Armitage admitted outting Plame. He is not being prosecuted. He is not getting all the grief about exposing an agent. Why? Because he's not part of the Bush administration and the people getting all bent out of shape only care about getting Bush. They've twisted the story to try and make it happen.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Because he's not part of the Bush administration and the people getting all bent out of shape only care about getting Bush. They've twisted the story to try and make it happen.

teehee...
Yogs used the 'Clinton defence'

priceless

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by taranaki

teehee...
Yogs used the 'Clinton defence'

priceless

yeah...... whatever

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Aside from that, anyone who lies under oath deserves to be punished. The fact he has been found guilty and is looking at jail time is the right thing to have happened.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/dailynews/4116697a6403.html

My views on Bush are well-known to this forum. This is further confirmation in my eyes of his worthlessness as a President and as human being. How exactly does a president who has effectively already lost the mandate to run his country get the authority to overturn legitimate court decisions for his pals?
Bush is more bent than Nixon. Impeach the worthless sonofabitch.

[BNaylor]

Yes, I think your extreme views on Bush are well known and the only one that I know of that loses sleep over him. If you think the commuting of Libby's sentence is bad I'm quite sure he will most likely receive a full pardon of the conviction when Bush leaves office in 18 months. IMO there will be no Bush impeachment proceedings. The Democrats need him for their version immigration reform.

BTW - He got along fine with the Texas Democrats when he was Governor of Texas which used to make me wonder about him. I recall some of us on this forum still do not believe he is a real Republican.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by bnaylor

Yes, I think your extreme views on Bush are well known and the only one that I know of that loses sleep over him. .

Trust me, he is one worthless piece of shit that I lose no sleep over.

I just find the whole double standard hilarious.Americans rise up en masse when a minor celeb tries to worm out of a jail term, but when the government selects a stool pigeon to take the fall for its crimes, he should at least take the hit. Having your chief war criminal personally excuse him is a joke and if the American people don't stand up against a crooked president, they deserve to get fucked over.I'm glad I'm not an American, the majority of them appear to be all hat and no cattle when it comes to their own constitution and justice system.

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by bnaylor

Yes, I think your extreme views on Bush are well known and the only one that I know of that loses sleep over him. .

Agreed. I think it gives him a purpose in life.

Relax, 'naki, it's all in jest. I don't care one way or the other what you think of Bush; I didn't vote for him and he'll be gone soon.

I'm more concerned about how much of the farm the next contender will give away, much like GB's new PM. I have a feeling they ain't seen nothin' yet.

[syr74]

Crap like this cracks me up. Scooter Libby was effectively convicted for possibly being dishonest under oath. Libby claims this portion of his testimony was simply a mistake, citing more or less that his memory had failed him. Of course the the angry leftists among us will cry foul but for a few issues which make the claims appear erroneous.

First, several other people who gave testimony at the trial initially recalled events incorrectly. Only Libby's error was held to be intentional although no plausible reason for this distinction has ever been given.

There was no apparent motive for Scooter Libby to mislead the court in this instance. The man who had leaked the CIA agents name was already known at this point meaning that there was no need to protect Cheney. The woman whose testimony primarily convicted Libby was, by all appearances, not initially informed of Ms. Plame's role by Mr. Libby and notes which she claimed proved that Libby had discussed Valerie Plame's role with her had the name Valerie Flame (sic) added retrospectively making them useless.

But don't let facts get in the way of sticking it somebody associated with George Bush. Leftist hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by syr74

Crap like this cracks me up. .......

But don't let facts get in the way of sticking it somebody associated with George Bush. Leftist hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Anyone associated with Bush is a neofascist baby molester, that's a commonly known fact. I find it amusing when Republican apologists try to cover up for their crooks, no matter how straightforward the conviction.

What part of 'found guilty in a court of law' confuses you?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Anyone associated with Bush is a neofascist baby molester, that's a commonly known fact. I find it amusing when Republican apologists try to cover up for their crooks, no matter how straightforward the conviction.

What part of 'found guilty in a court of law' confuses you?

So if Bush hadn't commuted Libby's sentence and the had been overturned on appeal, an eventuality many legal analysts mused was extremely likely, we could have all expected you to post gleefully that justice had been served and Libby's innocence had been proven? Please. Leftist hypocricy strikes again.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by syr74

So if Bush hadn't commuted Libby's sentence and the had been overturned on appeal, an eventuality many legal analysts mused was extremely likely, we could have all expected you to post gleefully that justice had been served and Libby's innocence had been proven? Please. Leftist hypocricy strikes again.

You realy are a fool. If Libby's conviction could have been overturned through the proper channels, Bush need not have touched it.

By interfering in the court process [and by your argument, entirely uneccesarily] the hillbilly has proven he's not fit to hold public office.America, and the rest of the world, deserves better leadership.

Overturning convictions of buddies on a whim is banana republic stuff.Saddam would have done it.Bush deserves what Saddam got.

[YogsVR4]

Bush commutted the prison sentence. The conviction still remains and the appeal is still in process. We'll see if it gets overtturned or not.


Please stop with the name calling or vacations will be in order.

[03cavPA]

"Naki, are you having a bad day? Looks to me like group hugs are in order for you guys.

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