11r

[carbuilder2002]

Has any of our posters any information on 11R and its current state of health / condition.
I would like to get as much on the car before deciding if it is worth a treck over to take a closer look.
Naturally I am contacting all usual sources inc MCL (well all sources known to me anyway}.
Santa did not leave me a megga millon pound cheque for christmas but he did leave me some details of an offer I am seriously considering, not quite a one I could not refuse yet though.

Wonder if they would throw in 11R as part of the deal?

[hurstg01]

As far as I know it's still an LM look-a-like and in good health - at least it looks better than my 4th pic (but not as good as the first 3.... )

[carbuilder2002]

Interesting, the picture of the AMG CLK test mule, I always thought that they had used chassis 07R for that experiment? Anyway was it not severely damaged in a front end shunt in to a barrier during testing?
If it is 11R that was used and crashed then that may explain why there has been little interest in anyone aquiring it.
Would you buy a stuffed F1 that had been butchered by AMG then bodged back together?
Granted Mclaren are supposed to have rebuilt it but all that butchery can't have done it's chassis integrity any good.
Wonder if it still has the GTR engine fitted.
No doubt my enquiries at MCL will bring forth answers, assuming they take me seriously.

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by carbuilder2002

Interesting, the picture of the AMG CLK test mule, I always thought that they had used chassis 07R for that experiment? Anyway was it not severely damaged in a front end shunt in to a barrier during testing?

That was a long standing theory as one time when #07R was advertised for sale the ad claimed that it had been used for such purposes. More recent info has proven that it was indeed #11R which did the deed.

If it is 11R that was used and crashed then that may explain why there has been little interest in anyone aquiring it.
Would you buy a stuffed F1 that had been butchered by AMG then bodged back together?
Granted Mclaren are supposed to have rebuilt it but all that butchery can't have done it's chassis integrity any good.

If McLaren has since had their hands in the car and given it a clean bill of health I wouldn't let it concern me too much. In fact I think it's a pretty interesting piece of history because of the AMG connection. I also think that what AMG did to the car was not all that intrusive and I don't see any remaining signs of butchering.

Wonder if it still has the GTR engine fitted.

It does indeed. Reference the most recent photos of the car - it appears to be in great condition really, although photos can sometimes hide certain issues.















I think GTRs, even the ones converted for road use, are just a tough sell. There's not much you can do with them yet unless you have easy access to some free time at private tracks. The ones converted for road use are able to do that, but a lot of people would be less interested in having one of them over a standard road car I think. I'd love to have a GTR myself, but the purchase would occur after I had an F1 in the garage already.

A GTR with a very successful history might be an easier sell, but also command a higher price. I think once the GTRs are old enough to qualify for various vintage events they will be more sought after.

>8^)
ER

[carbuilder2002]

Many thanks Peloton,

I have contacted the seller and also Mclaren.
Although it has been rebuilt by Mclaren having been rebuilt must effect its value to some extent.
Owning an ex racer is no roblem I have used various ex track cars on the public roads over the years, just need to be aware of the different driving characteristics required. Mind saying that the track cars then were closer to road going GT's than this beast.
Anyway I should have some information sometime next week.
If your'e right then I had better grab me a GTR soon before the historic racing boys (of which I used to be one before I was priced out) get interested and prices soar.
Have not got a price from them yet so at the moment it is just an inquiry but if things go right with my planned semi-retirement I may yet fulfill a 15 year ambition.
Anyway I have contacted our own GTR wielding guru, Mr Bridger for his insight.
My other concern over this particular car is that Our Mr Bridger lives within 150 miles of myself and so we would have 2 papaya GTR's virtualy in adjoining counties.

Once again thanks and will keep you posted.

[F1 monster]

That's against the rules. You cannot have two papaya orange cars that close together. I have a solution for you...you can keep it with me.

[carbuilder2002]

I agree about the colour, not sure about using your garage though, besides I don't know how far away you are?
If I can get it cheap enough may consider returning it to its original livery.
But it would be a borderline purchase anyway as seen as the running costs and maintenance are so high. Would be better off saving the repaint for enjoying it.

[drewwtms]

Originally Posted by carbuilder2002

Would you buy a stuffed F1 that had been butchered by AMG then bodged back together?

Think of it this way: Ferrari pieced together many race cars from the 1950s thru the 1960s, either officially or the work was done by restoration/racing shops and the values of the cars have since soared. You might be right to be wary if we were talking about the value and integrity of a Porsche 911. But I think a McLaren GTR will hold its value regardless of its history. And the link to the AMG program only makes this car more unique and valuable. I think you'd be right to buy one now. Their place in time and history has yet be fully realized.

[carbuilder2002]

Well Mclaren are digging through their records for me so just have to wait.
They did say however that it was permenantly on sale and saddened that it has not found an owner. Still no joy getting a price out of Autohandel.
Any sugestions on a possible colour scheme, if I can run to it? Would love a Gulf liveried one but as it never wore that I would feel uneasy about that option. Quite fancy Roman Purple or Electric Blue, but then the Blue has been done. Maybe am getting to ahead of myself a lot could go wrong yet.

[F1 monster]

Purple is a bit chav, if you ask me.

[carbuilder2002]

You may be right about Purple how about shocking Pink
Errr amazing it's just come to me in a flash -----SILVER
Most F1's are Silver but to my knowledge no GTR's.

Yes I'm joking.

[cabrio92]

Hello,

waouhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I wish you to buy a F1, you will realize a dream ! Many cannot do this.
It's totally amazing.

I have two questions : if you buy it, the car will be brought in UK on a truck ?
The other question comes after your post :

Many thanks Peloton,

I have contacted the seller and also Mclaren.
Although it has been rebuilt by Mclaren having been rebuilt must effect its value to some extent.
Owning an ex racer is no roblem I have used various ex track cars on the public roads over the years, just need to be aware of the different driving characteristics required. Mind saying that the track cars then were closer to road going GT's than this beast.
Anyway I should have some information sometime next week.
If your'e right then I had better grab me a GTR soon before the historic racing boys (of which I used to be one before I was priced out) get interested and prices soar.
Have not got a price from them yet so at the moment it is just an inquiry but if things go right with my planned semi-retirement I may yet fulfill a 15 year ambition.
Anyway I have contacted our own GTR wielding guru, Mr Bridger for his insight.
My other concern over this particular car is that Our Mr Bridger lives within 150 miles of myself and so we would have 2 papaya GTR's virtualy in adjoining counties.

Once again thanks and will keep you posted.

I think with two car nuts like you and some relations, a F1 meeting can be pissible ! If yes, please let we know thanks.

Phil

[payso]

Originally Posted by cabrio92

..........I think with two car nuts like you and some relations, a F1 meeting can be pissible ! If yes, please let we know thanks.

Phil

Phil, i think you mean "possible"

[hurstg01]

Phil

You remind me of that fake French Gendarme who as actually English off 'Allo 'Allo, a comedy in the UK about the French Resistance.... (meant in a good way ) PS - my french is cr@p.....

[PatrickT82]

If I had the money I'd buy 11R immediately: love it since I photographed it:-)