Polygon's dumass of the day!

[Polygon]

Alright, below is some comments taken from a guestbook of someone at Car Domian, I just thought I would share the stupidity.

Originally posted by juanito157
Dude I am a big SHO fan..Unfortunatly mine was stollen,it was a 91 with a blower and a 5 speed. I hate to tell you this man although you ride is otherwise the SHIAT!!! those rims are fucked up, they look like all four of your hub caps are missing :o(.... Otherwise A . And for all you sorry ass rice burning 4 Cyl bitches..CHECK OUT SHOSHOP.COM OR www.svt.ford.com/flash/index.html YOU PUNKS AINT GOT SHIT ON FORD WITHOUT LOADING THOSE PUNK ASS CARS WITH NOS !!!!

Then came my reply:

Originally posted by Polygon1989
Yeah, and Ford can't get shit out of SVT without supercharging, so it’s all the same, it is still forced induction. I'm not knocking Ford, but you are just making ignorant statements man. I'll admit the SHO is a fast car, too bad the engine is made by Yamaha. Ford can't compete with Chevy or Dodge without supercharging, give me a break, and yours was s/c besides you damn moron.

As for you player2399, shut up man, you're a dumbshit.

Then came his retort:

Originally posted by juanito157
Hey Dickhead !! If you were not the one making all those stupid comments about Fords than these comments were not directed at you, "MORON". Besides have you allready forgoton that your Lebaron is basically a Dodge and it's turbo charged!! The early model Dodge colt was also Turbocharged.Chevy's Fastest Truck ever "Cyclone & Typhoon" were also turbocharged and from what I read about,their ending production on their Camaro because despite how much they try to make their Camaro faster than Ford Stang, they couldnt compete in sales, everyone was still buying the stangs ...Aside form Speed, Ford (In my opinion) offers the best looking cars with a long line of serious performance cars....Harley F150/ Mustang Cobra/ Lightning/ Marauder/ and they are bringing back the GT-40 and it will probably spank a VETT...I love all cars including "Rice Burners" I'm a real car enthusiast !! and these comments were directed at people who are opinionated about Fords and if your not one of them than the comments weren't directed at you.....JERK !! SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPERCHARGED THEORY ON FORDS...CHEVY AN DODGE ARE ON AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ON THE SAME WAGON.

I just posted this response:

[i]Originally posted by Polygon1989]
That nice and all, but I was never knocking forced induction, I happen to like forced induction, I was just pointing out the fact that I thought it was funny that you are making fun of people that use it and saying their car can't compete with Ford without it when your car had forced induction. That was my point. As for my comment about ford not being able to compete with Chevy and Dodge, I was talking about the Z06 vs. Viper vs. Cobra R. Honestly they Cobra R doesn't stand a chance, even with a s/c. The other two mop the floor with it. As for the lightning, the SRT-10 Ram will hand the SVT Lightning its ass all day long with NO forced induction, while the SVT Lightning does. The Viper still can kill the GT-40 with NO forced induction. Even the new Hemi will beat the Lightning, once again with NO forced induction. That was my point; Ford seems to need to supercharge their vehicles to keep up with Chevy and Dodge. Don't forget who make the ultimate motor, the Hemi, Ford even tried to copy it calling it the semi-hemi, and it sucked. They say that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, well enough of my ranting. Take what you want from this. Also the Mustang won is sales from the V6 Stangs, not Cobras, not Saleens, and not SVTs. Just look at how many women are driving around town in V6 Stangs.

I am now waiting for his response.

[-The Stig-]

hahaha, im not even going to comment on that one guys statement about the Camaro. He has a small portion of why its being cancelled right, but theres so many other reasons.


you tell them Polygon!

[Cbass]

I would counter by saying, they stopped making the F bodies for one reason. They weren't making GM money, and GM isn't about making cars. GM is about making money...

Anyways, Ford had an engine that was far superior to the Hemi, called the Cammer. It was a SOHC Ford 427 sideoiler... they ran it in old superstock, in the Thunderbolt Fairlanes... Happened to blow the doors off of the Max Wedge Mopars...

Also, the SHO motors are made by Yamaha, but they aren't forced induction engines. Neither was the SVT Contour. The old SVT Cobra wasn't forced induction either, it just had a well designed engine, capable of hp figures the SBC or Mopar engines just can't do, with the exception of GMs LT5, which was designed by Lotus

Also, weren't the K car engines made by mitsubishi? I'm not sure, but I heard they were...

[TerminalVelocity]

I think you hit everything on the head there, good job

(aside from the last part, not sure what a k car is)

[-The Stig-]

K cars are the random Dodge and Chrysler cars.

Like the Arries and the ... ummm shit i cant think of the names of the other cars... its 2:00AM.

But they're ugly, but are rally mobiles.


Remember that video we saw of that Random car that beat the shit out of the Supra at the Track? and we heard its Turbo? Thats a K car.

[TerminalVelocity]

oh, well then, yes

And isnt the colt a k car then?

If so, yes, mitisibutchisheishusbuchi does make the engine

[Cbass]

Yeah, the Colt was a mitsubishi through and through... I think the 2.2 liter chrysler engine was actually a chrysler engine...

RANT RANT RANT! Sorry, couldn't think of anything meaningful to say...

[R1-rider]

I wouldn't even pay any attention to that kid (and it is painfully obvious he is a kid). He obviously knows jack shit about cars, and more so about car companies. The only things he seems to be saying is reguritated bullshit from some other ford fanboy's rants.


And that car you saw run a 10 second quarter mile was a Dodge Aries, which came with a chrysler 2.2, or a mitsu 2.6.

[Neutrino]

Ok if the cammer is so superior to Hemi explaind this article I found at dragracing online. Here is the interesting part:

"Larry Gould has been racing Ford 427 cammers as long or longer than anyone in the history of drag racing. In 1974 he ran a best of 6.66 which tied Tommy Grove for the quickest elapsed times ever recorded for a Funny car using a 427 Ford cammer for power. Even though Gould eventually switched over to Hemi power in his Ford bodied floppers, he never gave up his Cammer parts or his love of the engine."

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

the kid needs to find out the power of VTEC what POWER? anyways i likes the camaro SS

[Polygon]

Originally posted by Cbass
I would counter by saying, they stopped making the F bodies for one reason. They weren't making GM money, and GM isn't about making cars. GM is about making money...

Yes, that is a very good point.

Anyways, Ford had an engine that was far superior to the Hemi, called the Cammer. It was a SOHC Ford 427 sideoiler... they ran it in old superstock, in the Thunderbolt Fairlanes... Happened to blow the doors off of the Max Wedge Mopars...

I have just a few things to say here. The engine you are talking about is very popular for being in the Shelby Cobra. Now, of course a Sheby Cobra will take down a Hemi Cuda because the Cobra is a roll cage with a body and a gas tank. They weigh next to nothing. Here are some things for you to think about; also I find Neutrino's post quite amusing.

1. What engine is used in NHRA Top Fuel drag racing? The only engine used in Top Fuel is the 426 Hemi bored out to 500. They are ALL Hemis. That says something right there.

2. In the early 70s Chrysler left NASCAR after the Hemi in winged cars was banned. They took a superior engine and paired it with a superior design. The result was Ford and Chevy bitching up a storm because they couldn't keep up and couldn't design anything better. To this day the Hemi is still banned from NASCAR.

3. Once again I must say that Ford tried to make their own Hemi and failed, this was during the time of the Cammer. If the cammer was so great, why would they try to copy the Hemi design?

The Cammer is a great engine, but is no way superior to the Hemi, that is pretty obvious when a big advocate of the Cammer switches to a Hemi, I mean why would he trade for something worse?

Also, the SHO motors are made by Yamaha, but they aren't forced induction engines. Neither was the SVT Contour. The old SVT Cobra wasn't forced induction either, it just had a well designed engine, capable of hp figures the SBC or Mopar engines just can't do, with the exception of GMs LT5, which was designed by Lotus

Yes I understand that the Yamaha in the SHO was an n/a engine. My point was that this guy I'm arguing with, his was supercharged and yet he is making fun of people that use forced induction, which was my point. The SVT Contour was not s/c, yes, I know that. I didn't say they all are. But all the Mustangs that are SVT have a s/c, all the Lightnings had supers as well. And they have to just to keep up with the F-body. They still don't stand a chance against the Vette or the Viper, and neither has forced induction. That was my point here.

Also, weren't the K car engines made by mitsubishi? I'm not sure, but I heard they were...

Now when you say K-car, there were many different ones. I assume you mean the K bodied cars like the Aries. Yes these could be bought with a 2.6L Mitsubishi engine, though it was never a popular choice. Most people went with the 2.2L or the 2.5L common block engine which was ALL Chrysler, unless you got one equipped with the Turbo III option, they were all Chrysler with the exception of a Lotus head.

That K-Car that ate the Supra was using the 2.2L engine, the same one I had in my car. You couldn't get that kind of power out of the 2.6L without wasting a lot of money, and I mean A LOT.

[-The Stig-]

ehhh Sorry Polygon i gotta disagree with ya...

"I have just a few things to say here. The engine you are talking about is very popular for being in the Shelby Cobra."

The Cobra never saw the 427 Cammer, The Cammer was discontinued in 1965.

Here's a short history on the 427 Cammer from Musclecarclub.com

"Without a doubt the most powerful engine ever made, the Ford 427 Cammer was developed with the intention of taking on Chrysler's Hemis. Ford gave the 427 block new heads with hemispherical combustion chambers. To cap that, they fitted overhead camshafts -- one per cylinder bank -- which gave the engine its name and allowed it to rev to an unheard of 7,500 rpm. With the regular single four barrel carb, the "cammer" put out 616 bhp, but with dual four-barrels, it produced a massive 657 bhp. With this kind of power, the "cammer" 427 was totally unsuitable for street use. These engines were not sold to the general public, but about 50 examples were built, mostly for professional drag racers. Because of the low production volumes, NASCAR refused to accept the engine as a regular production option, and thus Ford couldn't use the engine to combat the Hemi's. This sealed this engine's fate and Ford discontinued it after 1965.

Ratings: 1x4bbl: 616bhp @ 7500rpm. 2x4bbl: 657 bhp @ 7500rpm, 550 lb-ft."

You might be thinking of the 427 racing motors that were used in Fords NASCAR vehicles. Shelby then used them in the AC Cobras, which are a Basic OHV configuration. The AC Cobra went into production in 1965 and ended in 1968 of which only 316 were produced.

[TatII]

wow sooo this is a domestic debate. i feel sooo lost. i only understand a fraction of whats goin on. i guess this is how you guys feel when us import guys ramble about our brands as well

[-The Stig-]

haha, domestic debates seem to be more civil. there's no name calling, no bullying, no stupid remarks. just some random guys talking about Cars.

of course we could be like the honda racing forum and randomly want to ban all those who oppose our views. :hehehe:


"I like the honda S2K, but it could use a tad more low end power."

"OH, so you think the S2k is slow? why dont you get your *insert american car of choice here* and leave, we dont need haters talking down on our cars! We need to ban him!"


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[Layla's Keeper]

I've had three friends who owned SHO Taurus's. Those things ate trannies like they were jelly donuts. The SHO Mustangs with the turbo 2.3L four, though, those things were scary fast. But either way, this guy was obviously a dick. And whether or not it's currently the boutique auto transplant of choice, the 4.6L and 5.4L Ford OHC V-8's are really starting to bug me. I agree with you Polygon, Ford needs to invest in an engine development plan, instead of making weekly trips to the Vortech development shops. It would cost tem so much less money if they could design an intake plenum that was worth a damn from the factory.