New Project Car!... Need Engine Info

420aFromGroundUp · #1 11-23-2006, 01:18 AM

alright guys, i picked up a 95 talon with no bumpers, no head or tail lights, jacked interior and "supposedly" a blown motor for $350.... now here is my question, the motor supposedly has a bad crank in it... im lookin for all performance out of this car and not some flashy show car other than a body kit which i might as well get since it has no stock sides front or rear lol. Its a 420A 2.0 liter FWD... anybody got any sites or info on rebuilding the motor for big horepower? any help would be great.. thanks every1

Blackcrow64 · #2 11-23-2006, 01:24 AM

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you but you won't be able to build the 420a into some big powerhouse. The best you could do is rebuild it with some strong internals and try to turbocharge it. You will only get a little more power than a stock GST or GSX has though... Not worth the money IMO...

Actually, ya know what you should do. If the car is already semi-gutted and the motor is no good, then you should consider doing a swap. Find a wrecked GST or TSi and get the motor, tranny, wiring harness, ecu, etc out of it and strip this car and put that in instead. It would be well worth the time. Trust me... It won't be easy swapping it all in but you can do it if you get everything and do some research on it.

420aFromGroundUp · #3 11-23-2006, 01:30 AM

i already considered it but swapping all that would be rediculously time and money consuming... .. if i could build a 420a to anywhere from 220-300 horse i would be prefectly fine with it... so any info on where to get parts?

Blackcrow64 · #4 11-23-2006, 01:40 AM

Uh, ok... You'll have more money in trying to build a 420a with that much power but do whatever you want with your money.

http://www.2gnt.com/

EDMUND65 · #5 11-23-2006, 01:43 AM

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420aFromGroundUp · #6 11-23-2006, 01:59 AM

ok well if its so worth the money to change every single thing under the hood send me the link on what i need and how to do it

EDMUND65 · #7 11-23-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 420aFromGroundUp

ok well if its so worth the money to change every single thing under the hood send me the link on what i need and how to do it

everyone is just goin to tell you not to waste you rmoney and building a car that wasnt ment to be turbo'd in the first place...

420aFromGroundUp · #8 11-23-2006, 02:05 AM

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everyone is just goin to tell you not to waste you rmoney and building a car that wasnt ment to be turbo'd in the first place...

seriously why are you even posting anything at all? i asked questions about my car... not to hear from some idiot who has nothin better to do than leave stupid remarks on my questions

Blackcrow64 · #9 11-23-2006, 02:06 AM

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ok well if its so worth the money to change every single thing under the hood send me the link on what i need and how to do it

Do I sense sarcasm? Don't even go there with me tonight.

All I am saying is this. You can dump a ton of money into a 420a and build all the internals and turbocharge it and crap and it'll have like 250hp. Or, you could spend the same amount of money, or less and buy a stock 4g63t motor and tranny and bolt it in and you'll have 210hp stock on it. Now, the stock internals to that stuff is good for 450ish hp without changing anything inside. You can throw a different turbo on it and a few supporting bolt on mods for cheap and you will easily have 300+hp easily. I'm not saying it in a '420a is shit sense'. I'm saying it in a money to power sense.

I don't have a magic link to some site that will tell you how to do all this. Because such a site doesn't exist. If you do a little research between the two motors you will see how much easier a higher hp is achieved with the 4g63t. That is all I'm trying to point out to you. Take it or leave it. Its just advice. Nobody has a gun to your head about it.

420aFromGroundUp · #10 11-23-2006, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackcrow64

Do I sense sarcasm? Don't even go there with me tonight.

All I am saying is this. You can dump a ton of money into a 420a and build all the internals and turbocharge it and crap and it'll have like 250hp. Or, you could spend the same amount of money, or less and buy a stock 4g63t motor and tranny and bolt it in and you'll have 210hp stock on it. Now, the stock internals to that stuff is good for 450ish hp without changing anything inside. You can throw a different turbo on it and a few supporting bolt on mods for cheap and you will easily have 300+hp easily. I'm not saying it in a '420a is shit sense'. I'm saying it in a money to power sense.

I don't have a magic link to some site that will tell you how to do all this. Because such a site doesn't exist. If you do a little research between the two motors you will see how much easier a higher hp is achieved with the 4g63t. That is all I'm trying to point out to you. Take it or leave it. Its just advice. Nobody has a gun to your head about it.

appreciate the advice, dont get me wrong... but have you done this swap and if so can u please tell me what ill all need? thanks

Thor06 · #11 11-23-2006, 02:14 AM

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i already considered it but swapping all that would be rediculously time and money consuming... .. if i could build a 420a to anywhere from 220-300 horse i would be prefectly fine with it... so any info on where to get parts?

Sorry man, but you got fucked. IMO that isnt worth shit. A blown motor and no bumpers? Daaammn. Seriously, to get that car back on the road and running 300 hp is going to cost you like $3500-$4500. Seriously. Building engine to withstand that is going to be at least a thousand dollars (probably more), plus the turbo setup, support mods, plus the body work. Shit man, thats a lot of money for a 300 hp FWD car. If it were me, I would try to get rid of the ECU, engine, and accessories and see if you cant get your money back. That same 4-5 grand could get you a solid 11 second 1g AWD that looks pretty decent too.

And why are you guys even talking about a swap? Thats a bad idea. It would take far more money than it would be worth. That would be worse than building the 420a.

420aFromGroundUp · #12 11-23-2006, 02:23 AM

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Sorry man, but you got fucked. IMO that isnt worth shit. A blown motor and no bumpers? Daaammn. Seriously, to get that car back on the road and running 300 hp is going to cost you like $3500-$4500. Seriously. Building engine to withstand that is going to be at least a thousand dollars (probably more), plus the turbo setup, support mods, plus the body work. Shit man, thats a lot of money for a 300 hp FWD car. If it were me, I would try to get rid of the ECU, engine, and accessories and see if you cant get your money back. That same 4-5 grand could get you a solid 11 second 1g AWD that looks pretty decent too.

And why are you guys even talking about a swap? Thats a bad idea. It would take far more money than it would be worth. That would be worse than building the 420a.

ok, a body kit, headlights, and taillights are all it needs as far as body so thats about $700 for ebay parts... crankshaft runs about 300 so for a grand i could have it running fine and looking sweet so what are you talkin about i got ripped for paying $350 for a car??? i could part it for like 5 lol and to anybody else who has anything negative to say about this thread dont even bother to reply cause ur stupid

Blackcrow64 · #13 11-23-2006, 02:34 AM

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and to anybody else who has anything negative to say about this thread dont even bother to reply cause ur stupid

Are you saying Thor and I's posts were stupid? Neither were stupid. You asked opinons for any help here and we are giving them.

EDMUND65 · #14 11-23-2006, 02:37 AM

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anybody else who has anything negative to say about this thread dont even bother to reply cause ur stupid

Yea i said that once also but i got flammed for it.. and it doesnt work because your going to get input from everyone whether you like to hear it or not.. its a public forum, you cant tell who to and who not to post...... personally and everyone would agree, your getting youself into a money pit that wont break 18 seconds on the quarter mile... get RID of it!

Thor06 · #15 11-23-2006, 02:52 AM

Wow this thread went south quick.

Ok, you obviously do not know what you are talking about. Just buying a new crank will not fix your blown engine. I'm guessing it spun a bearing so you will have bearings, machining, labor (and a shit load of that), probably a rod or two, pistons if one smacked a head, a new head if you had a piston smack the head, a new oil pump because thats most likely what caused the spun bearing, etc, etc. Then theres the tons of money for the turbo kit and support mods. For the body kits, those shitty eBay kits dont fit worth hell and on top of that you will have to paint them. You really should have done some research before you got that, if you do intend on kitting and turboing that car to 300 you have many thousands of dollars in parts and equally as many in labor.

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anybody else who has anything negative to say about this thread dont even bother to reply cause ur stupid

Oh I loooooove these comments. You asked for opinions, and if you dont like what you get, tough shit. Asking in an open forum you will get stuff you dont want to hear, so unless you are open to what other people have to say, dont post.

Read the rules, you will be expected to follow them.

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