2001 awd conversion possible??????

[sniper1128]

I'm wanting to make my 01 eclipse gs an all wheel drive w/a v6 motor...preferrably an eclipse gt, 3000 gt or lancer motor, and a 6 speed tranny...cost isn't a problem, however intelligence on the subject and general knowledge on mitsubishis is the only problem i'm running into...desperately need ideas...

[rodbls]

OK, if you are asking about a question such as this...i sure as hell hope you dont plan on actually doing ANY of the work yourself. The reason I say this is because anyone who is actually capable of doing the ammount of work involved in a conversion such as this would know where to start, what needs to be done, and if in fact it is possible. You stated that cost is no problem, which i sure as hell hope is true because this is by no means going to be cheap. To say it will be pricey as all fuck is an understatement. If you are going to have a shop do this (if you can even find a place to undertake a project of this magnitude), it could cost 10's of thousands of dollars. Pretty much the entire front clip, firewall, floor boards, rear end, interior....everything is going to be custom made. More than a shit load of custom metal work...I cant even begin to imagine how many hours it would take for this to actually work for a functional daily driver car to be constructed. Would it be possible...well, if money is in fact no problem, yes. just look at Monster Garage...proves you can do anything with money. Would it be cost effective in any way at all...NO. Would it be sickest thing ive ever seen....absolutely (IMO I would just get an EVO VIII, or a MKIV Supra and put the money in that), but shit, if you really just want a 1 of a kind car go for it. But you will be broke as shit. No one is really going to have any real answers for you as far as logistics go because I dont think it has ever been done before. Good luck, and I hope your uncle, dad, or close relative is Bill Gates.

[VR43000GT]

To even do a 3000gt TT (or n/a) swap or the lancer turbo swap would require great knowledge and understanding of cars along with a handful of time that needs to be killed and money as previously mentioned. The ONLY way I could EVER see this happening is that some person with an enormous bank account and great knowledge of cars (especially imports) got bored and said, "what the hell, I will try the damn near impossible". You would be spending far far far less time and money buying either the EVO or VR4, ect.

But in the rare probability you should accomplish this I would like to fly to wherever you live so that I can shake your hand in person. Best of luck.

[Sleepr awd]

a gentleman in my town had talked about doing this, but abandoned the project. and for lack of better words, he was RICH.

give up. plain and simple, 3g's will never have AWD and will likely not ever have RWD either.

now... if you want to learn something start with club3g.com and just READ until your eyes fall out.

THEN you will be ready.

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by sniper1128

cost isn't a problem

You might want to scrutinize that statement a few times before leaning on it.

Let's put it this way. My Spyder ate up thousands of dollars in off-the-shelf, common modifications that had been pre-catalogued in upgrade pathways. Then, asides from those costs, there were maintence and break-down repair costs...

The bottom line is, money, not skill, is the limiting factor. There are people all over the place who will do anything you want if the price is right. We've all seen LS1 miatas, supercharged minivans at the track, a 10.4 litre '69 camaro on E-Bay (made more hp and toprque than the dyno could calculate), jet-engines on an eclipse and an MR2 on E-Bay, West Coast Customs wierd creations, Chip Foose at work, etc...the list for bizzare and exotic extravagence is limitless. You got the money, anything is possible. But the meaning of "I got money" varies greatly from person to person. If I won the lottery, I would probably dedicate no less than $60,000 for such a project...needless to say, a great majority of the cost would be labor, not parts. Hell, there's a Hot Rod shop here in San Diego that...wait till you hear this...charges $1,500 just to give you an estimate of how much it will cost to paint your car. Nothing else, just a rough estimate, looking at the car for 3 minutes with a clip board and writing some notes on paper. So yeah, things can get pretty crazy real fast.

[ICETuner207]

Hey I'm looking into the same idea I have a strong feeling that parts of the VR-4 Galant might work I'm looking into making my own gsx

[ICETuner207]

OK from what I can figure out the 3g eclipse shares parts with the 8g galant so I have a feeling a 6a13 will fit under the hood and I bet with some work the awd system might work. I'm checking into some things.

[Sleepr awd]

so you have 10,000$ US just laying around that couldn't be doing anything better?

cuz your motor cost isn't going to be the only thing, i can promise you that.

[3geclipse1]

Hahaha, I love the nay sayers, of course the AWD conversion is possible, hell there is even a guy running a full Evo engine(not just a head swap) in his 3g, just check out the new Turbo magazine(Dec, 2006), but I will sum it up, Evo engine fits perfectly, the only exception was a new waterpump was needed, now the shop that did the install(very familiar with 2g and Evo) Is very confident that they can convert to AWD for fairly cheap(again comming from the shop, im sure their definition of cheap is way different than many others) using stuff from a AWD 2g, and will actually bolt right up to the 3g, oh and also stated this 3g with the evo engine swap is an everyday driver, so it is possible and someone finally had the guts to step up and try and not just blow it off

[rodbls]

Originally Posted by 3geclipse1

Hahaha, I love the nay sayers, of course the AWD conversion is possible, hell there is even a guy running a full Evo engine(not just a head swap) in his 3g, just check out the new Turbo magazine(Dec, 2006), but I will sum it up, Evo engine fits perfectly, the only exception was a new waterpump was needed, now the shop that did the install(very familiar with 2g and Evo) Is very confident that they can convert to AWD for fairly cheap(again comming from the shop, im sure their definition of cheap is way different than many others) using stuff from a AWD 2g, and will actually bolt right up to the 3g, oh and also stated this 3g with the evo engine swap is an everyday driver, so it is possible and someone finally had the guts to step up and try and not just blow it off

Um, as far as taking 2G stuff and bolting it up to 3G stuff...itcan only go so far. They are not the same chasis, nor do they use a lot of the same drive components. Just because the 4g63 and 4g64 motors are similar does not mean the cars are similar. As stated before, major modifications would need to be done to the entire body of the car, interior, undercariage, firewall, drivetrain, rear end, transmision tunnel...it would probably be more cost effective to actually take a 3G shell (body) and try and make it fit to a 2G or an evo chasis. However, if someone claims they will do this and call it a "conversion" they are lying because it would basically just be a massive body kit. I dont think anyone thinks 20K+ for a conversion is cheap (when you talk price you have to think of the retail value of the car, and you would invest more than 100% in a conversion of a 3G to AWD).

[3geclipse1]

ok just stating what some1 said that im sure knows a whole lot more than most people on these forums

[Sleepr awd]

Originally Posted by 3geclipse1

ok just stating what some1 said that im sure knows a whole lot more than most people on these forums

i've looked at companies that have tried this before and because of the major modifications to the chassis of the car, it isn't a feasible option, nor is RWD on a streetable eclipse a good option however awesome it would be. now 2g stuff may bolt right up, but how much will? do you kno?

THINK before you make a dumb post.

well first you'd need hubs to accomodate the rear axles. may or may not be able to use the 2g ones and even if you did the cars aren't EXACTLY the same width apart so then you'd also need custom axles even if the 2g hubs fit. next, you can't use a 2g driveshaft b/c the cars aren't EXACTLY the same distance to where the rear end would sit. next, you need a fuel tank, b/c that rear end sits right where yours used to. now, you need transmission for an AWD vehicle, your fwd one won't work. you'd either have to modify that transmission from the 2g so it'll mount on the other side of the car. order a pricey evo trans and pray that it bolts up nicely or with little modification. in which case you now need to make a transmission mount.

did i mention having to re-route the exhaust and quite possibly hack up the underside to get the driveshaft and exhaust to fit without scraping when you put the new suspension on where, depending on the rear and front hubs you may/may not need to get custom suspension done if they aren' a plug and play sort of deal. now

and think hard about this.

the eclipse is pretty front heavy.

is AWD really gonna help? i mean really? better launches sure, but handling is still going to suck as far as sports cars go and around a track it isn't going to be able to pull of what an evo can, because you've just spend one hell of a lot of money on a stupid and useless modification when you could have purchased an awesome handling car for the same amount of money.

i've gone over this f---ing stuff before and it seems this knowledge has been lost on the same f---ing page that you posted this nonsense on.

ALSO why the hell would you not want a 4g64 engine w/ the 4g63 head on it ?! WHY!?! are you crazy!? it's another .4 liters of instant displacement and you don't have to get the whole frickin' evo engine! you don't even need an EVO head to bolt up!!! iirc there is a hyundai head that'll bolt up (fairly easily as far as heads bolting up go) that is 10x cheaper and you can put the turbo cams on it in whichever combination you like for so much CHEAPER.

just because it CAN be done, does not mean it SHOULD



now, before you go making stupid posts about pointless companies that do silly things with their cars and spend way more money than they should to prove a point that has already been proven, think about it. and don't type a word.

i guess my rant is over. darwin's theories just don't work fast enough.

[808drifter]

note: Lots of EVO guys buying stroker kits for their 4g63's

[brad02420]

Originally Posted by sniper1128

I'm wanting to make my 01 eclipse gs an all wheel drive w/a v6 motor...preferrably an eclipse gt, 3000 gt or lancer motor, and a 6 speed tranny...cost isn't a problem, however intelligence on the subject and general knowledge on mitsubishis is the only problem i'm running into...desperately need ideas...

I'm calling on this. If "cost isnt a problem" then I personally dont think you would of ever purchased a Eclipse GS.

[rodbls]

Originally Posted by brad02420

I'm calling on this. If "cost isnt a problem" then I personally dont think you would of ever purchased a Eclipse GS.

That's a good point, I guess I kinda looked past that part. There is a difference between spending a lot of money on your car and making it worth it, and spending a lot of money on your car, having a one off deal, but it being a piece of shit, regardless of how cool it is. I would have invested your money in an Evo or something with a good basic platform, and putting your money in that. Sure you spend more up front, and have less to play with after, but at least you would be starting at a much better point than modding the shit outta a 3G GS.