Motorex Isn't alone!!

[Gonthrax]

Well right now the details are pretty sketchy, but there is a company called Skyline Moters who seems to be selling GTRs From what I can gather they sell stock, 400awhp, 700hp and 1000hp R33s. Oh yea, and these are with LHD conversions. Now for all I know they could be buying the complienced R33s from Motorex and selling um. I have no idea how much they cost or anything as I couldn't find their website.

If anyone knows anything else about these guys, lemme know.

[SkylineUSA]

YOU DICK!!!!! In my best Jeff Spicolli(sp)

Get my hopes up, and BAM, Nothin.

Thanks for all that detailed information

[BlueDandino]

Thanks for the info!

Has anyone thought of just importing a GTR through J-garage or one of the many Japanese exporters (you can get a low mileage 1999 or 2000 R34 V-Spec for $40K) and taking it to any authorized conversion center in the US to get the conversion done (I have heard that the conversion work costs $6,000)?

This seems straightforward enough?

The crash testing which was done by MotoRex and subsequent government approvals - VGC 17) relate to a specific model/type of vehicle, and as long as you convert a vehicle like it to EPA and DOT standards you should be able to register it in the US.

There is no way anyone would be required by the DOT to crash test the same type of vehicle again. Once it has been done it is done and gets on the govt. approved list. The rest is a relatively simple EPA and DOT process.

EPA conversion work should only be O2 sensors, exhaust and ECU (for post-96 vehicles) - please correct me if I missed somethings.

DOT stuff is only turn signals airbag labels, speedometer/odometer and maybe bumper reiforcements - please correct me if I missed something.

How much can all this cost????? $5K, 7K, even 10K?? For that kind of money you can do a hell of a lot of skyline modifying!!!!!!!

[SkylineUSA]

How many authorized conversion centers have you called, that will touch a Skyline. 1 MotoRex, thats it. You are right, one would think that the crash results should be basically public record, but apparently its not. If you think about the volume of their sales, it aint a lot. So they have to jack up the prices a little more, its basic economics. Sean has done something that no one had the balls to do, and I really do admire the guy. I personally have not tryed to read all the legal stuff to start importing Skylines, so I am not about to surmise what ifs. If there is another company great, no more monopoly. If not, pay the price of MotoRexs blood sweat and tears to get one of the baddest cars on the planet on to American soil. IMHO

[BlueDandino]

Your points are well taken SkylineUSA, and I do admire companies like MotoRex that do actually follow through and do what everyone has obviously been talking about doing for many years.

The issues to me are the following:

- When the R35 is available in the US (maybe 12 months) the MotoRex skylines will most likely drop in value by 50% (the R35's will also come will a full multi-year warranty from Nissan).

- The following alternatives can be purchased for about the same money as a stock R34:
1) 1995 or 1996 Ferrari F355
2) 2002 Lotus Esprit V8
3) 1995 Ferrari 348 Spider
4) 2002 Dodge Viper
5) 2003 BMW M5
6) 2003 Maserati Spider
7) 2003 MB SL500

So to sum it up; I love the Skylines and think that they provide a combination of features that are second to none, but to make them truely amazing one must spend an additional $15K-20K (to get 700HP).

Looking at the points I made above, I would be greatful if someone could explain why the R34 is a better purchase.

Thanks.

[SkylineUSA]

I take it you have driven a GTR? Nice

The only problem with the cars you mentioned is the fact that they can be purchased without an RI. I really do not see Sean dropping his prices just because you can buy a R35. You surely are not going to tell me that the R35 even can hold a candle to any of the GTR that came before it, They are totally different animals.

I can buy a GTR for about 25k here were I live, in the states your looking at 50k for one. Now do you really think that 50k GTR is going to drop in half, considering that it will cost you out of pocket to get your GTR converted over to US specs to the tune of 26k for a 96-01. I really do not see the prices dropping at all, unless the there is another company that becomes an RI. I will tell you this, they are not making anymore R33s or R34s, and the market is getting thinner, what happens when a comodity dwendals, the price goes up. Even if another RI starts a bussiness, the prices will not fall drastically, it would be economic suicide.

[Gonthrax]

BlueBandino: Let me preface this by saying that I see from your posts your not every other racer who has no idea who it takes to get a GTR in the US and asks, "how do I import a GTR 34 V-specII into the US" I've answered way to many of those

Any how, the only break in site for getting a Skyline any other way besides MotoRex is that they already have a VCP number, VCP 17 covers GTSts, GTRs, and V-specs. Oh yea and M-specNUrs. Other then that, as far as I know, Skyline Moters and Motorex are the only (street legal) options. The problem is that the crash test info is information that is detrimental to the moneymaking power of Motorex, therefor it is a trade secret. DOT compliencing envolves, like you said, bumpers, mirrors, dash, Type 2 restraints. As far as EPA goes, its more then O2 sensors, let me refer you to a thread I dug up some info in a long while ago. I hope it's helpfull. Ok nevermind... The thread seems to have dissapeared If I find it later I'll link it.

Now you can ask Customs to let you import one for show, but you can only drive it 2,500 miles a year and thats no good... I'd drive it that much in the first month So all in all Motorex is still your best bet, I say this becaouse I don't know much about this Skyline Motors place.

Ok... I just found some more, http://www.skylineracing.com/ is going to be their future home page, you can contact them that way or (714) 558 -7655 or [email protected] . They are Skyline Motors LLC in Santa Ana.

[Gonthrax]

Here you all go, start here and read down.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...031#post229031

[BlueDandino]

Thanks for the info. I will read through it.

Do you think that MotoRex would give AF members a discount if we ordered 5 or 10 R34 GTR Skylines? We should be able to get together a group here that would be interested if the price is right.

Just my 2 cents.

To sum it up, I do understand that MotoRex has to recoup its investment in the approval/crash testing process, but it is important to understand what alternatives are out there in the market. Moreover, MotoRex might be able to recoup its investment quicker if it lowered its prices and thereby increased its sales volume.

I personally love the R34 GTR and am willing to pay MotorRex, but i am doing this knowing that I am getting a car that costs half in Japan, two-thirds in Europe, and that I could get a 1995 or 1996 Ferrari F355 TB for the same money.

Thanks everyone for your input.

:smoka:

[SkylineUSA]

Yes, you could.

But at least the GTR is a reliable car.

[SkylineUSA]

I make good money, but there is no way in hell I could afford a R34. You apperantly make a considerable more amount than I. Most of the guys on here are dreamers(NO offense guys) about owning a GTR one day, some just might, but the chances are that they will not, R34s are out of my league, and most everyone on here.

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
I make good money, but there is no way in hell I could afford a R34. You apperantly make a considerable more amount than I. Most of the guys on here are dreamers(NO offense guys) about owning a GTR one day, some just might, but the chances are that they will not, R34s are out of my league, and most everyone on here.

NOOOOO!!!!!!


Seriously though, don't be so harsh. Most people buy a $30,000 car sometime in their lives, and an R32 can be had for that.

[SkylineUSA]

Actually I was refering to the R33, and R34. Your right an R32 is in range.

[BlueDandino]

In Japan a 1999 R34 can be had for about $30k. This is the problem buying in the US. Moreover, in 2006 a 2 year-old R35 will also be about $35K.

Paying $95,000 now for a car that costs $50,000 in Japan means that you are getting less car for your money compared to a car than can be purchased locally through regular dealers.

Perfromance-wise and value-for-money-wise how would one compare a 2003 Z06 Vette with 405HP for $50K to a 2001 R34 GTR at $95,000?

[SkylineUSA]

Or a 500hp, Mustang for $15k