Vette Versus Skyline

[Dyno247365]

Let's See, the last person who made this thread got banned and I don't feel like getting banned, again, so I promise to behave myself. happy? Good! Let the Fanboys Unite!! Two excellent sports cars throughout history, close in power with the racing experience!! I would love to see a good fast race between these two, drag or course, and they're up to the test!

Any and all years apply for the comparison, and are encouraged to further the information available in this thread.

[blakscorpion21]

drag race

c5+ vette > skyline

course

c6-zo6 > skyline > other corvettes

[drunken monkey]

i wonder how a C6-R would compete against a JGTC spec R34?

[Dyno247365]

This is a problem because not a lot of countries get both high performance cars...do any? Does any country get both the Z06 and GTR?

[Moppie]

The middle east is the only place I can think of that would get both in any quantity.

There are also some fundemental differences between these cars, and big differences between generations and even different models.
There was never an AWD Corvette, but there was never a 4 cylidner one either.

[drunken monkey]

that's kinda why the race version of both intrigue me, not because of the (non) relevance in comparing the two road cars but because both cars are very similar in figures.
correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the JGTC GTR rwd as well?

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

that's kinda why the race version of both intrigue me, not because of the (non) relevance in comparing the two road cars but because both cars are very similar in figures.
correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the JGTC GTR rwd as well?

I didn't think they were but they might have been. That's all i can say.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

I didn't think they were but they might have been. That's all i can say.

Being that it contributed nothing why say anything at all?


The GTR starter the JGTC in AWD, and ended in RWD.
Basicly rules were passed so the other manufactors could keep up since they didn't have a comparable AWD model to compete with.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Being that it contributed nothing why say anything at all?


The GTR starter the JGTC in AWD, and ended in RWD.
Basicly rules were passed so the other manufactors could keep up since they didn't have a comparable AWD model to compete with.

That was a TRICK QUESTION!!!

I also wonder why there aren't any series where japanese sports cars are included with european race cars and american cars. But races are really all about money, not ratings. They advertise cars most people want to buy or atleast want to invest in. But I really do wish a series like Fia GT or Le Mans would include japanese sports cars because of their fame.

[Moppie]

Japanese and European cars race side my side in the British, Australian and New Zealand touring car series.
There are a number of different Le-Mans classes, and many of them include Japanese cars.
Mazda have even won the main event our right with the 787B.

There are not many series however where Japanese, American and European cars are raced together, largely because the US car market is so closed off.

Basicly Europe, Japan and the rest of the world are far to enlightened to buy the majority of American Cars, and America is to ignorant to buy many European or Japanese cars. Exceptions being a couple of Honda's, BMW's and the odd Chrysler that get designed and manufactored in the US, and sold globaly.

[drunken monkey]

last time i checked, there were a couple of private run ferrari in the now Super GT

[Vettribution87]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Basicly Europe, Japan and the rest of the world are far to enlightened to buy the majority of American Cars, and America is to ignorant to buy many European or Japanese cars. Exceptions being a couple of Honda's, BMW's and the odd Chrysler that get designed and manufactored in the US, and sold globaly.

Whoa there! Gonna hurt my feeling with that attitude.
(Me not enlightened!? How dare you! )

But surly these days there’s is a lot more positive exposure of US cars going on globally? Certainly complaints regarding quality (both perceived and actual) no longer seem to proliferate as much as they once did.
I mean sure they are still not perfect but the US manufacturers must have opened their eyes to the criticisms over the past decade and responded accordingly.

In Australia at least Chrysler seems to have struck a chord because I'm seeing more and more of their cars (brand new) on our roads despite the fact that they are bloody expensive over here.

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by Moppie

There are not many series however where Japanese, American and European cars are raced together, largely because the US car market is so closed off.

Incorrect, it is other markets that are closed to American cars not America being closed to forgeign cars. Just about every country that mass produces cars is represented in the US, not so in other countries.

Basicly Europe, Japan and the rest of the world are far to enlightened to buy the majority of American Cars, and America is to ignorant to buy many European or Japanese cars. Exceptions being a couple of Honda's, BMW's and the odd Chrysler that get designed and manufactored in the US, and sold globaly.

Enlightened as in imposing stiff tariffs on anything with four wheels from out of country, right, enlightened as Billy Bob they are. Your remark about Americans being ignorant to forgeign cars is probably the dumbest thing I've heard all week. Considering that 42 percent of all cars sold in America last year were manufactured by forgeign companies, I hardly think there is any base for your claim. As for American cars sold overseas, there is a lot of reasons why main stream American cars aren't widely sold globally.

Lets start with the fact that up until a decade ago there was no reason to sell overseas, the domestic market was more profitable than selling in Europe or Asia could have ever been. Then we'll move on to the vastly different driving enviroments in the world. Like for example how it's pretty damn hard to sell anything but microscopic gas sniffers in Japan. Why? Because thats what the driving conditions demand. A larger American car that has no problem slipping into a parking space in Kansas would be a sumo wrestler in Toyko. Trying to sell a car that doesn't fit the market is foolish and so you're not going to see a Crown Victory on a narrow coble stone road in Frankfurt. In America where basic transportation is all that is required from most drivers and the cost of owning a car and driving is low, the cars are built to suit. In Europe where it is stupid expensive to drive compared to America, demands on the cars are higher and they are built to suit.

Next we'll step back and remember that there is quite a few majorly distrubited American cars overseas, like the Ford Focus that has racked up seven digit sale numbers in Europe. Or the Fiesta which was Germany's top selling small car last year. And that Chevy posted a 25% gain just in the first six months of 2005

All in all Moppie I have to say, I'm dissappointed in you, I thought you were above unfounded remarks and blatant bigotry. But you have proved otherwise so I'm forced to conclude:

You're just a hater.

[drunken monkey]

I've said this before and i'll say it again, Ford cars that come out of Europe SHOULD NOT be classed the same as an American car.
The Ford Focus and Fiesta ARE NOT American cars.

Chevy showed a gain? Is that in profit or just a decrease in loss?
How is GM doing overall again?

[Broke_as_****]

Why? They aren't an American market car but it's still designed and built by an American company. The only reason there is any difference between an American market Focus and an European Focus is because they are designed for different market. On a basic level they are the same car.

The 25% growth figure reflects total sales across Europe.

GM? Can't be any worse than Mitsubishi.