'03 Cobra gets rocked

[MadZ]

From what I hear, the Z only had the usual bolt-ons and a 100 shot. and he only sprayed on the first run.
enjoy the show
Z28 vs. '03 Cobra
It's too bad the f-body as we know it was officially done with production on the 26th of this month. Cobra owners can sleep a little easier now.

[TerminalVelocity]

usuall bolt ons?

so what, its an 11 sec Z28...yes...put some bolt on's onto the cobra, lets see what happens.

The cobra islighter and produces way more hp and torque than an SS, yes...I need say no more to this.

[94svt5.0]

Umm.. I dont think the cobra was racing. It was on the interstate, and when the z28 dropped and sprayed, the cobra was probably in 6th. By the way the best I could tell from the video, it was a 2001 cobra. Not a 2003 supercharged cobra.

[Layla's Keeper]

Good god, the Camaro has been laid to rest due to years of corporate neglect and still the biggest ego trip rivalry in motorsport wages on.

Fact: The Mustang, no matter how much Bill Ford says he loves it, is dying because of lack of marketing talent. Red Mustang convertibles with automatics and V-6's, and this market is more profitable than hardcore gearheads. Thus, the Mustang is losing its edge in search of its "feminine side".

Fact: GM didn't think that this was a wise idea. So they left well enough alone, for almost ten years, barring the 98 facelift and re-engine. Thus, the car was increasingly looked upon by the general population as "an old obsolete" car. And, when it boils right down to it, the ride was choppy and the ergonomics seem to have been back-engineered from the Mercury space capsules. To some one who tears out the stereo because it weighs too much, or doesn't mind wearing a kidney belt if it means a few more tenths of a 'G on the skidpad, this wasn't a problem. But it's a big problem for John Q. Public who wants his Camry, only with an image.

Fact: Insurance is crazy for ponycars. The teenage boys who'd regularly buy them (and supported the car during the 70's) could afford the cars and wanted them for their performance and presence, but the insurance was beyond their reach because it's automatically assumed that if you're young and drive a Camaro/Mustang, you're going to do something stupid. Be this the case or not, it's what the insurance companies believe.

So, what it boils down to is this: The primary market can't operate the cars, so they give them up. The secondary market, older men, aren't buying the cars because of the downshift in the price of standard classic muscle cars, thus the nostalgia is fading. The tertiary market, young women, like the style of the cars and are buying them, but they aren't buying ultra performance and presence, they're buying style and comfort. Thus, the cars must be engineered for that market. Unfortunately, while important brand-wise, the total sales of the Mustang and the F-bodies don't add up to much profit at all. So, any redesign must be done cheaply and must be aimed at the most lucrative market. The F-bodies could no longer be modified for the most lucrative market, women, so they died. The Mustang, is still kicking because of its more modern chassis and interior. But if the next platform Mustang in 2004 does not meet the expectations of the tertiary market, I fear the car will be put out to pasture. Already, the styling concept of the 2004 Mustang is a knock against it. It's horribly deriviative of the 1964-1966 notchback Mustangs, which the tertiary market, for the most part, doesn't recognize and the secondary market probably already owns.

Too bad, I miss the 1970 Trans-Am season. Boss 302's, Z-28's, Firebird Trans-Ams (with a 303, look it up), Mercury Gurney Cougars, Javelins, T/A Challengers, AAR 'Cudas. That's a real war of muscle, to me.

[DeViL]

"so what, its an 11 sec Z28...yes...put some bolt on's onto the cobra, lets see what happens."
haha thats great. I guess being supercharged from the factory doesn't account for anything? Sounds like a factory bolt on to me, obviously you know what happens when you throw a few bolt ons to a Z28.

"The cobra islighter and produces way more hp and torque than an SS, yes...I need say no more to this."
The Cobra is about 200 pounds heavier then a SS what are you talking about. SS and Trans Ams are about 3400, that new Cobra I'm pretty sure is in the 3600 range.

I agree with SVT5.0 partially though. That first little skirmish wasn't a race he just went by him quick la de da. The way the hood is shaped though, it does look like a 03 Cobra. Plus it has the Cobra emblems, it probably is one.
Whatever gear and whatnot the Cobra was in the 2nd flyby, there isn't a doubt to me he was pushing it to the max. You can tell cuz he inches foward a bit on the Z28/SS(?) for a split second in the beginning. Didn't seem like he gave the Cobra a fair start though.

[BlkCamaroSS]

Look at the nose of the Cobra on the second run. It's clearly of 03 design. No way you could see the red eyes of the Cobra on the sides, though.

Also, in the second clip, the fact that you hear the horn go twice means they were both prepped and ready to race.

[danno_SS]

I don't think the Cobra was really trying. The sticker on the windshield (upper right ) leads me to believe that the Cobra was less than a few dys old. I doubt the owner was ready to put it thru its paces. Would've like to see this at the track though.

BTW '03 Cobra curb weight 3640 lb.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

ford corporate exec's are tarts they should get women driving lessons so they can drive Gt's and such so we can see some more rockin fords

lalalala Rockin lol thats soo gay .......wait i said that


anyways all the best cars are dying out instead of bickering we need to save the remaining ones from dying out

so i am in search of the legendary ultimate unbeatablelegend in these beasts and i shan't stop till i get it .......... wait for me mr ford i'll spank your ass one more time

[TerminalVelocity]

Originally posted by DeViL
"so what, its an 11 sec Z28...yes...put some bolt on's onto the cobra, lets see what happens."
haha thats great. I guess being supercharged from the factory doesn't account for anything? Sounds like a factory bolt on to me, obviously you know what happens when you throw a few bolt ons to a Z28.

"The cobra islighter and produces way more hp and torque than an SS, yes...I need say no more to this."
The Cobra is about 200 pounds heavier then a SS what are you talking about. SS and Trans Ams are about 3400, that new Cobra I'm pretty sure is in the 3600 range.

I agree with SVT5.0 partially though. That first little skirmish wasn't a race he just went by him quick la de da. The way the hood is shaped though, it does look like a 03 Cobra. Plus it has the Cobra emblems, it probably is one.
Whatever gear and whatnot the Cobra was in the 2nd flyby, there isn't a doubt to me he was pushing it to the max. You can tell cuz he inches foward a bit on the Z28/SS(?) for a split second in the beginning. Didn't seem like he gave the Cobra a fair start though.

Well, a factory bolt on, is stock. If you moded the Cobra it wouldnt have any problem. I was missinformed about the weight of the SS so I rechecked 3433, so your correct. *I was told it was 3800 which I found very very odd* Second, watching the second race, unless that Z28 is a 10 sec car, it shouldnt leave a 12-13 sec car that fast and that far. I dont think the cobra was really going for it. Eather that or that Z28's "bolton's" were alot more than were being led to believe.

[Cbass]

Okay, the first time the guy wasn't even trying. The second time, he went a little. Either he was shifting early, or wasn't giving it everything... Anyways, if you'll notice, the Z28 didn't really pull away, the Cobra was with him the whole time on the second run.

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
Look at the nose of the Cobra on the second run. It's clearly of 03 design. No way you could see the red eyes of the Cobra on the sides, though.

Also, in the second clip, the fact that you hear the horn go twice means they were both prepped and ready to race.

The noses are the same on both the 2001 and 2003. The hood on the 2003 is different anoly in the fact it has rear facing vents in the middle of the hood. The 2001 has no vents. Its very doubtfull the cobra was trying, if he was he could not drive, or the camaro was a 10 second car.

[BlkCamaroSS]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0




The noses are the same on both the 2001 and 2003. The hood on the 2003 is different anoly in the fact it has rear facing vents in the middle of the hood. The 2001 has no vents. Its very doubtfull the cobra was trying, if he was he could not drive, or the camaro was a 10 second car.

I couldn't really tell if you were arguing with me about the fact that it's a 2003 or not. You stated that the 2003 has backward facing vents, which the car in the video has. Just like this one:

http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/gallery_cobra_five.html

Now, some have stated that the driver of the cobra may not have been trying. The second pull he was definately trying, no arguement there. Think of it this way, if you just bought a new Cobra, wouldn't you be hungry to test it out on some Z's and SS's? I sure as hell would. Give the guy in the F-body some props regardless of what he's done to it, there's always bigger fish in the sea.

Hell, I got beat by a turboed supra last night. I gave him a big fatty thumbs up out the window. It was fun as hell racing him, and I'll do it again if I get the chance.

[BlkCamaroSS]

BTW, the 2001 and 2003 do not have the same front ends

2001:
http://www.robind.com/robins_2001_cobra/011.htm

2003:
http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/gallery_cobra_one.html

[94svt5.0]

94svt5.0 can not be wrong. My knowledge of mustang lore is unmatched by anyone. Actually, I only saw half of the video, my media player is screwed. But, the first run the cobra was definitly not trying, the seacond he probably fumbled the shifts, or the camaro runs 10s.

[BlkCamaroSS]

This day in age, if you have any fast car, and you skip a shift, you're probably fucked when racing another good car. That happens...