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09-14-2006, 12:36 PM
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Time to Make a Decision.
ok, so i found this, and the Price is Perfect for me right now, as is the set-up w/ the reverse J-pipe and all. think i sould go for it? i dont think i'm going to be able to afford my 60 trim set-up untill i get out of school, and i dont want to wait... DSMlink is just around the corner, as well as ARP head studs,and metal gasket, this comes w/ 560cc injectors... it just seems so right... but i still want 400 whp... will this do it? or is it a waste of time? thanks
http://www.dsmsource.com/classifieds...p?product=3777 
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09-14-2006, 12:49 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
I thought the 16g's maxed out at 325hp?
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09-14-2006, 12:50 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
Hold out. A 50 trim should do you fine for 400 hp and they are all the fuck over the place. Big 16g's are pretty cool but you'll want bigger injectors than that for a 50/60 trim so you will just need to replace the turbo and the injectors later. I would say get everything that you need other than the big turbo, then save for it.
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09-14-2006, 01:02 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
ok i cant find 50/60 trims anywhere on a mitsubishi Housing, and when i get it, i wanna run an external 38mm wastegate... and dont have the money to buy the manifold/wastegate so i dont know... after all, with 400 whp, wont my GST have hardcore traction Problems? i dont know what to do!!! i guess my main goal, is to take a vette. can a 16g pull on a vette? (from a roll on)
but then again, is external wastegate really worth all the money for a street car? i've seen several 50/60 trims w/ internal 38mm wastegates, and that way i could keep my stock manifold, and save about $1k... i dont want boost creap, and from my understanding you need to be externally gated to stop that. correct me if i'm wrong, because i'm not going to be using the turbo to it's full potential, so maybe the enternal wastegate would be fine, and not creap...
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09-14-2006, 01:55 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
I am going to go internal on my 50 trim setup. Either way its a 38mm gate, could it really be that different between internal and external?
EDIT: Yeah, you'll probably have some badass traction problems. I would look into an LSD or SBR LSD insert and some stickier tires like those BFGoodrich DOT slicks. You'll have to learn to launch as just stomping on it would still probably burn them off pretty good, but you should be ok from a roll.
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09-14-2006, 02:58 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
yeah, i want to use my car mostly on the highway, but i still want to be able to run some pretty nice times in the 1/4... what do you think? should i settle for the 16g, or go all out with a 50/60 trim?
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09-14-2006, 03:52 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
If you get a 16g at all, I would say get an MHI Evo III. On a FWD, that would maybe be the way to go so you dont just spin all the way down the track. I think my suggestion would be to get a 50 trim. I'll look tonight, I think I was finding 50 trims for between $400 and $550 before I spun a bearig.
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09-14-2006, 03:57 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
sweet, where you looking at? because i cant find anything that isnt ebay brand on ebay, and everything on DSMtrader is like $600+...
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09-14-2006, 04:08 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
what kind of 1/4 mile times you looking to hit at 400hp?
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09-14-2006, 04:40 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
negative on the 16g for 400hp. Not without every possible mod and insanely high boost with race gas.
the 50 trim: king of the pump gas turbos running 20psi I spun the fuck out of my tires, sometimes even in 3rd depending on good the road was. The evo3 hits hard too quick. 50 trims have a little smoother power delivery, gives you time to get going a little faster before you spool completely. I have extensive experience with both turbos, and the 50 trim just owns the 16g in every category except autoX
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09-14-2006, 04:45 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
So basically the 50 trim is alot better for 1/4 mile run and highway running than the evo 3 big 16g?
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09-14-2006, 04:47 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
it owns it. Then again their are so many variables to a 50 trim, but you get the idea, FP green, PTE 50, AGP RS49, etc,
the evo3 just cannot flow the air
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09-14-2006, 04:50 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
so is the 50 trim a t3/t4 turbo? Also what about the 57 trim? thats all i can find
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09-14-2006, 04:57 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
depends on which variant you want, trim is actually just a ratio describing the physical properties of the turbo
50 trims just have a nickname because they are so popular. tell me the money you can spend on a turbo and i'll find the right one 
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09-14-2006, 05:12 PM
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Re: Time to Make a Decision.
FP Green if you are a fucking bo-zillionaire, otherwise I would say a SBR 50 trim or a PTE. After all, they are all garrett center sections IIRC, so basically all each person does is cast their own exhaust/intake housings. Correct me if I am wrong, but I dont think I am....
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Build on hold until I get a good paying job, either in school or once I get out. At that time a full tear down and complete rebuild should be in order. The Purple People Eater will ride again... January 2011 can't come soon enough.
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