3s-ge beams

Celica_Crazy · #1 08-28-2006, 07:31 AM

hello everyone, i am thinking about doing an engine swap for my gen5 celica, and instead of going for the 3s-gte (because i will be killed with the insurance, cos i live in aus) i was wondering if i can swap in the 3s-ge beams, i tried lookin on google but nothing much came up. would this engine fit right in my car or not? if it doesnt the 3rd gen 3s-ge is the best one isnt it?

blakscorpion21 · #2 08-28-2006, 08:20 PM

yea, itll fit no problem. of course there will be wiring and ecu issues as with any swap though. as far as insurance, i doubt there will be a diffrence. hell i wouldnt even tell them my car had a non stock engine as they prolly wont cover it anways. i think the beams has 210ish hp and a 3rd gen 3sge has like 195.

Celica_Crazy · #3 08-29-2006, 03:55 AM

so is there a big performance difference between the 3rd gen ge and the beams. because the beams is a fair bit more expensive ive been told.

C-Stylez · #4 08-30-2006, 08:41 AM

there are 2 different types of the BEAMS 3SGE. One has a red top and the other is black. I think the black top has vvti and generates more power, but it might be the red one. They are on ebay from time to time. run a search there for is300 altezza and it should bring up at least one. there are two on ebay right now. They put out like 210 hp... not bad for a n\a four cylinder.

blakscorpion21 · #5 08-30-2006, 06:44 PM

yea everyone brags how amazing hondas k20 engine is in the rsx, but hell toyota had one just as good and came out earlier. plus everyone thinks the evo8 and sti are the shit but the st205 gt4 has similar capabilities and came out almost 10 years earlier not to mention its won more wrc races. they really should have gave us the same stuff in the states as they had in japan and europe. instead of mag editors dissing the 6th gen for its wimpy 135hp they would have been praising it with a 200hp 3sge/260hp 3sgte. maybe the celica would still be around.......

SigmaProjects · #6 08-30-2006, 11:17 PM

i'll still stand by the 7th gen needing the LSD standard on the GT-S. The Beams to me is better than the K20 for the fact that they both has similiar HP rating, but the yota seems to have a slightly better power band, probably not a big difference, but at least it's there on paper.

But I think most of you are forgetting that a 3rd gen 3S is iron while a 4th gen 3S is aluminum.

91 Celica St · #7 08-31-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Stylez

there are 2 different types of the BEAMS 3SGE. One has a red top and the other is black. I think the black top has vvti and generates more power, but it might be the red one. They are on ebay from time to time. run a search there for is300 altezza and it should bring up at least one. there are two on ebay right now. They put out like 210 hp... not bad for a n\a four cylinder.

redtop has vvt-i on intake only

blacktop has it on intakme and exuast

91 Celica St · #8 08-31-2006, 06:16 PM

and BTW, the celicas (ss-II) came with a BEAMS 3sgte in it in japan...

SigmaProjects · #9 09-02-2006, 03:06 AM

really? turbo beams from the get go?

Celica_Crazy · #10 09-02-2006, 10:19 AM

nahh, i think he meant 3s-ge beams for the ss2

SigmaProjects · #11 09-03-2006, 10:27 AM

ok, maybe mistyped that T in there then.

Celica_Crazy · #12 09-04-2006, 05:20 AM

i thought so, but i guess its a subconscious thing for when you write 3s-ge your mind knows that there is a t there so away it goes. anyway, is the red top or the black top betta? would they both get it on with my celica (as in ok for fwd) ? this will be a very noticable improvement from my 5s-fe with 203,574KM on it wont it? should i replace my tranny and/or clutch or wear em out first?

SigmaProjects · #13 09-05-2006, 01:33 AM

should be ok for FWD they were on other FWD cars, but I don't know if they bolt up to your tranny.

Yaggus · #14 09-05-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Celica_Crazy

hello everyone, i am thinking about doing an engine swap for my gen5 celica, and instead of going for the 3s-gte (because i will be killed with the insurance, cos i live in aus) i was wondering if i can swap in the 3s-ge beams, i tried lookin on google but nothing much came up. would this engine fit right in my car or not? if it doesnt the 3rd gen 3s-ge is the best one isnt it?

Uh.... Why even consider an engine swap with the prices of GT4s at the moment?? An engine swap, especially with a beams engine is a waste of money.

a beams swap would be... say $2000? (no idea just a figure to make my point.) Sell you Celica for $6000 and BUY A GT4! You can pick one up for as little as $7500 in the eastern states. Getting it shipped to Darwin wont cost that much. Insurance isnt that bad on GT4s. I was 21 when I first bought my GT4 and insurance was only $749 a year though JUST CAR INSURANCE. The insurance on having a car with a swapped engine will be more than a GT4.

And a GT4 is just a much better car all round.

Celica_Crazy · #15 09-05-2006, 01:59 AM

thats actually a good idea yaggus, it would be better than an engine swap and i can get one in australia plus ill also get the AWD with it and no worries. ill check into the car insurance (im using that one atm with my celica) for the gt4.

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