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#1
08-08-2006, 10:03 PM
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champion vs. bosch+4
Which spark plug is better? I've heard that the champions give the same performance for a neon r/t as the +4's. Then again, a friend of mine told me +4's are always better for any car.
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#2
08-08-2006, 10:25 PM
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A Decent Ignition Setup
Here is, from my research, a pretty good ignition setup for a moderate-performance DOHC Neon.
First to answer your question : no. From my research and observation, the OEM Champions are sufficient save for the highest performance engine. If you want a platinum plug NGK is sufficient for the Neon. - MSD Coil (MSD 8239 OR 29) - MSD Wires (MSD 32723) - MSD Ignition Controller (MSD DIS-2) - OEM Champions (RC9YC) - Magnecors (#45231 for 8.5mm) are phenomenal wires but I've heard people have issues with their warranties and customer service. I don't know I'm only going on heresay. But for performance Magnecor is the best choice for wires. Plugs don't really matter as much as wires and electronic components do.
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#4
08-12-2006, 11:31 AM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
I am running basic NGK plugs in my 95 neon and getting around 50mpg when i dont try to drive it like a race car. Personally i would never put Champions in any vehicle but that is only my opinion of course. One thing to remember though is just because it came stock in your car does that mean its the best? How many things have people upgraded in there cars from dealerships cause they were sub standard? Do you trust an automobile manufacturer to put the highest quality parts in on the assembly line ? or the parts they can get the cheapest so they can make more money when they sell the car to you?
take a look here http://www.sparkplugs.com/sparkplug411.asp and it will help you decide for yourself what to use in your own car.
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#5
08-12-2006, 05:44 PM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
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The only exception is if you are running a turbo or nitous, in which case you need a colder plug.
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#6
08-13-2006, 11:39 PM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
I wouldnt mind seeing the test results that proved Champions were the best if you dont mind? Independant study of course.
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I work as a partsman in the BC Area if you need help finding something you cant find pm me here and i will see what i can do. www.lordco.com Better to sit in silence and be thought stupid , then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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#7
08-14-2006, 12:11 AM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
Never put +4's in anything, EVER! they tend to lead to misfire problems and the extra electrodes do not create extra sparks, all they do (theoretically) is cause a longer life but they don't really work, they also hurt the flow in the combustion chamber (shrouding). unless you have done significant work to your engine and know a lot about plugs just stick with the OEM, they are more than sufficient (intakes and exhaust systems are not anywhere near significant work. Also, plugs are one of the most important parts of an ignition system. A few years ago, before I learned better I put in +4's, a few months later I saw a 7mpg decrease and lost the ability to burn 'em, a change of plugs remedied this (champions actually).
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#8
08-14-2006, 09:05 AM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
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#9
08-14-2006, 05:44 PM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
Das you are the master of info and links , im interested ! where is the info and stats ? dnyo sheets ? anything ?
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I work as a partsman in the BC Area if you need help finding something you cant find pm me here and i will see what i can do. www.lordco.com Better to sit in silence and be thought stupid , then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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#10
08-14-2006, 07:57 PM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
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#11
08-16-2006, 11:01 AM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
Late to the party, however, I have tried Champion, NGK-Vgroove (they high speed glazed and burnt out early), Bosch +4, and AUTOLITE double platinum and saw no difference. The AUTULITE did seem to make the engine a bit smoother at idle and a bit quicer to accelerate off the line.
1998 DOHC Expresso. MOPAR Performance PCM, ACR Sway bars, slotted front strut to knuckle bolt holes and 1 1/2 degrees of negative camber, MP Underdrive pulley, B&M short shifter, home made CAI, REDLINE MTF in tranny.
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#12
08-16-2006, 11:03 AM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
Campion GOOOD! Anything Bosch BAAAD
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#14
08-16-2006, 11:20 PM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
Im pretty sure the 02 sensers in neons were stock bosch now that i come to think of it too.
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I work as a partsman in the BC Area if you need help finding something you cant find pm me here and i will see what i can do. www.lordco.com Better to sit in silence and be thought stupid , then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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#15
09-23-2006, 01:49 PM
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Re: champion vs. bosch+4
accually champion is a better plug for neons, just because bosch plugs are a platnuim plug and they do not run good in neons!!! the copper plug is better and runs better than bosch so if you want to change out bosch plugs that you spend 6 dollars a plug on have at it, but you can run an NGK or champion and be alot better off
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02 neon, custom interior, four bucket seats, four point roll cage, two infinity subs, port and polish head, full exhaust, mopar 6 horse cam, indy racing valves, valve springs....custom hood and turbo coming very very soon
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