Who Would Win

TMC2k1 · #1 07-17-2006, 12:53 AM

Me: 205hp 3.8L V6
Friend: Volkswaggen Jetta GLI w/ 180hp turbo engine.

doodad · #2 07-17-2006, 01:08 AM

yours is auto or manual?
and how about his? l say it will be a close race but you will get him! (beacuse he is like 300lbs. lighter than you)

just line up and go! let us know the result!

TMC2k1 · #3 07-17-2006, 01:45 AM

im auto hes manual

97cavalier · #4 07-17-2006, 01:45 AM

sprry but i say the jetta, cuz it is fwd and is lighter and the turbo makes good power.

doodad · #5 07-17-2006, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 97cavalier

sprry but i say the jetta, cuz it is fwd and is lighter and the turbo makes good power.

so you are saying fwd>rwd? l dont think fwd can beat a rwd.. agree on turbo.. but he has more 25hp than jetta and jetta has 300lbs. less weight and also fwd! l say close race and firebird might put a bumper ahead!

ikeyballz · #6 07-17-2006, 04:06 AM

fwd has better traction up to a certain point because the engine sits on it... rwd is only better when you get the weight to shift to the back...

im going to have to go with the 3.8, just cuz it has more displacement.. more torquey then the jetta! hp numbers dont matter that much in a straight line race and i think turbo numbers seem a little higher than they should be just because they get a lot of power up high..

ikeyballz · #7 07-17-2006, 04:07 AM

++ turbo lag!

doodad · #8 07-17-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ikeyballz

fwd has better traction up to a certain point because the engine sits on it... rwd is only better when you get the weight to shift to the back...

im going to have to go with the 3.8, just cuz it has more displacement.. more torquey then the jetta! hp numbers dont matter that much in a straight line race and i think turbo numbers seem a little higher than they should be just because they get a lot of power up high..

when you launch the car, it lifts the nose up a little and all weight goes to rear. l drove a v6 mercury sable 200hp FWD, off the line when l floor it, the car lifts the nose up a little and tires were spinning. l drove a v6 mustang RWD 200hp, when l floored, that car hardly spinned.

if the powers are equal, l believe rear wheel drive will jump ahead off the line..

G-man422 · #9 07-17-2006, 11:53 AM

You will win. ( but your friend will be ahead in the beggining)

ikeyballz · #10 07-17-2006, 02:25 PM

up to like 200~250 hp a fwd car should beat a rwd off the line.. with the same tires..

the weight does transfer to the back a little but unless you have a really powerful car the weight of the motor in the front is better than the weight that transfers..

did the sable + stang have same tires/trac control/etc?

TransAm87 · #11 07-17-2006, 02:35 PM

I'd say one reason you might lose is because the jetta's '00 and up only lose about 6% of their power to the wheels, unfortunately yours probably loses more like 20-30% of its power to the wheels..but whatever you won't know until you race!

doodad · #12 07-17-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ikeyballz

up to like 200~250 hp a fwd car should beat a rwd off the line.. with the same tires..

the weight does transfer to the back a little but unless you have a really powerful car the weight of the motor in the front is better than the weight that transfers..

did the sable + stang have same tires/trac control/etc?

mercury had sticky goodyear tires. l have no idea what mustang had.. just a regular mustang tires l believe.

that jetta might jump ahead cuz it has less weight but l believe firebird will catch him.

if they would both had the same tires, the same weight, the same tranny, the same power, RWD>FWD (IMO)

Savior1974 · #13 07-18-2006, 12:49 AM

I have to side with the Jetta in this one. You both probably put about the same HP to the wheels. (You being auto, him being manual) But he also has the weight advantage. You should get him out the hole being auto, but if he's a decent driver, he's gonna walk you.

BTW RWD is better than FWD.

AWD is the best though..... (to a certain HP level.)

ikeyballz · #14 07-18-2006, 01:21 AM

not if you have little hp and its a ff car.. compared to a fr

i think it goes like..

fwd>rwd low hp..the 80s daytona claimed this, at least.. just cuz the engine is the heaviest part of the car and its over the :gasp: front wheels :P and the weight transfer for a crappy small launch doesnt shift the weight to the back wheels enough!

awd>fwd&rwd at medium hp, rwd>fwd @ same hp..
cuz awd has the most traction, nicest launch.. and since around this hp, the weight tranfers enough on the rwd to get a better launch than the fwd car..
this is assuming you can set your car up to be a drag car, meaning rear wheels have cushy springs! and you have like..90/10 shocks in the front..?

rwd > awd, fwd at really high hp/ long run.. (since awd loses a lot of power to the drivetrain..)

FormulaLT1 · #15 07-18-2006, 12:56 PM

The Firebird will win. Just look at what both run and on top of that RWD is better for performance or why else would every muscle and sports car to this day being using rwd. As pointed out by someone when you launch you do not place the weight on the front of the vehicle, the force is to the rear of the vehicle. The front rises and the rear squats. I can take a 200 horse fwd car and chirp them on every wot launch with 225 - 255 tires but the same will not take place on a rwd car. As for why the 3.8 will win, the turbo has to spool up before that power is usable and the 4l60-e is a excellent drag tranny. It loses very little compared to what other makes and prior auto's have. Its electronic wot shift points allow you to go up to red and instant shifting into the next gear which is a huge advantage to taking full potential of your powerband and will shift faster than a human can and not miss a shift due to driver error. This to me adds up to win not to mention I have seen plenty of 3.8 F-bodys beat SOHC 4.6 and 5.0 Stangs with my own eyes with little to no mods. I have yet to see this take place with a Jetta.

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