Man guys I am going to cry...

[Thor06]

The whole fuckin world needs to go to hell. I am tired as shit right now, some fucker broke into my mom and dads store last night so I was up to get the phone call from the security company at 2:30, then I was up waiting for my dad to call back. I went to sleep around 4 and got up at like 10. So that licks balls.

Then this morning I was doing some checking, I dont think I will ever get to see my catback. The fucker scammed me. I told him he has until Tuesday at night to get back to me then I am going to get my money back through paypal. So that fuckin sucks.

Then I got my buddy's boost guage and boost controller today, that was pretty fuckin sweet. Turns out the reason it was running shitty is because there was a clip grounding out the 4th cylinder's plug wire so it was running on basically 3 cylinders. Got that fixed and the bitch runs great. I turned up the boost to like 15 psi and for 3 hours total she was ripping the streets apart. Right when I got the boost set, I launched it hard. Dumped it at like 5500, the RPM's went down a bit, but came back up. I hit 2nd hard then 3rd hard. Clutch was fuckin fried, we could smell it bad. So fuck, I need to get a new clutch. I still wanted to cruise and maybe fuck with one of the 20 Vipers that are in town right now. Well she progressively pulled less hard (I figured it was the clutch slipping) and the "lifter tick" got louder and louder. Once or twice it died after boosting, I didnt think much of it. I was cruising next to my friend Matt (fellow DSMer but his is broken) in Civic hatch he was looking at getting for a DD. He down shifted and started pulling, so did I. She barely got to 5000 and she was not pulling. That "lifter tick" was loud as hell. Then she died and would come right back like it did before. We stopped at a light and I yelled to Matt there wasnt anything. Well, she did start a bit and I gimped into a nearby parking lot and left her running. They get out and come over and I put her up a couple hundred RPMs. The "lifter tick" had turned into a loud ass FLAP FLAP FLAP. For everyones info, rod knock isnt a damn low pitched ping like someone said. It is a fuckin click at first, then it sounds like death. I just turned it off and parked it. We were going to tow it tonight, but we had no tow straps so we are going to do it this morning.

So heres my options: a) Build the shit out of it, b) stock rebuild, c) Mike's engine, d) park it for a year, or e) part it out. I am in the same spot as Shpyder kinda. A lot of money invested but school has got to come first and if I drop $1500 for a decent rebuild, $600 for a stock one, or $400-$600 for Mikes engine, its still that much I dont have or dont want to spend. College is going to cost a lot and its kinda on me to pay for plus I need clothes, dorm stuff, and books. As much fun as it was to cover 2 1/2 blocks and be going fuckin like 85 before I had to lock them up so I could stop, I have higher priorities right now. Options A, B, and C are out of the picture for this summer, I am going to sleep on it for a week and think. But its either going to be parked until next summer or parted out. I love this car to death and my bag of bent valves, the probably butt fucked crank and atleast one rod will stay with me forever, but right now the $1200-$1800 I could probably get for the parts sounds pretty damn good. I dont know guys.... I love this game way too much to walk away, but I gotta do what I mother fucking gotta do. I will start a fund with some of the part out money called the "Dustin needs a new Evo" fund. After college I am buying me a near new Evo, until then good bye you cold, cruel import car world.

[Blackcrow64]

Tis a sad moment... I shed a tear for your pain man...



Why the heck is everything being so crappy right now for everyone?

[ned032002]

That is not cool man, too much time has gone into your car to be doing this shit. I would personally just do another rebuild. Sorry man.

[Thor06]

Yeah, how many people on this board have fucked their engines these past couple weeks? Far too many I tell you what. Seems everyone that sticks around here has CW'd their shit or thrown a rod.

Well guys I need some good, sound advice. I dont know what I want to do. When it happened, I saw it as a reason to stroke it. After I came to my senses, and realized that I dont want that much power anyway, I saw it as a reason to part the bitch out. I got good deals on my parts, I could probably get almost what I've got into it. Well, now this morning I am leaning more towards rebuilding it again, not all hardcore but probably a pretty basic stock rebuild.

If I were to rebuild, I would most likely get ARP main/rod studs, Clevite 77 main/rod bearings, 1g rods/2g pistons combo, staying a 2.0, and obviously getting bored over and whatevers broken/unusable replaced. Since I am redoing everything, I think I might as well just do everything I was going to while I'm doing it, drop a SBR 50 trim in there, gutted with no more ac/cruise control, ACT 2600, bigger injectors, fuel pump, and some DSMlink. I was giving it a good, hard thinking this morning. When we were towing my car (behind a Civic hatch with a SOHC vtec, loud ass exhaust, and its seriously low enough to where a pop bottle wont fit under the bumper must have looked funny as hell) I realized I dont think I couldnt bring myself to get rid of it. Shes my baby, I've been waiting forever and a half to get it, now I cant just quit. Too much time, money, and love invested.

Also, since shes going to be parked for a good amount of time, I should do some other things that I want to do but never thought I could. Such as a RWD conversion. What do you guys think? Theres two ways I would go about it: 90* turn and some fuckin RWD tranny (6 spd?) or the more practical way of welding the center diff and just putting the plug like things in where the front driveaxles go into the tranny. The 90* turn is the way to go IMO, but that takes a fucking crap ton of money for the new tranny, probably a custom driveshaft, and I would have to buy/fabricate motor/tranny mounts and shit. Yeah, no freakin way. The other way is how Matt has his done and its the same as how Rhys Millen did that Evo for F&FTD, just taking the front wheel part out of the RWD. The way I see it is this: AWD = breakin shit. The tires dont spin (well, dont spin much ) and so the stress is taken up elsewhere. I think an RWD would be easier on shit, still have pretty decent launches (compared to FWD anyway) and you'd also get the normal fun stuff of a RWD car like staging at the track.

What do you guys think? Should I push onward or just say fuck it and part it out? I figured if I got lucky, I could sell it, its parts, and its spares/extras for between $1200-$1800. I have got two complete top ends (manifolds included), the block and shit inside (if its still good), 2 full sets of brake systems, the turbo, EPROM, good complete drivetrain, the shell, and all the accessory shit such as the ac compressor and the alternator, I figure that could fetch $1500 pretty quick and that $1500 would be really nice going into college. But like I said, it would be hard to do, not technically but emotionally. If say your best friend had a really bad heart problem and needed a transplant, would you just say, "Oh well, look at his other body parts, they work great and I bet we could get a pretty good price for them. Lets just part him out." I didnt think so. It comes down to more money, dead dreams, and severe emotional pain having to rip it apart or less money, dreams wide awake, and time to rebuild. I need opinions on everything in this post, mainly wheter or not to part out, my parts list should I decide to rebuild, and the RWD conversion. Give me any and all of your two cents.

[4g63gst20]

i feel your pain man, right now i'm kinda pissed too last week my car was running ok, now it runs like shit, my uncle and keep telling me to fix it and sell it, but i really dont want to.Everytime i look at it, i think how much money and hours of work i put on it,it's about 650 just in the suspension set up(tokicos with eibach). right now i felt like kickin my car because i cant find the damn problem. but i'm pretty sure i wont sell it.

In your case, if i was you i'd just part it out, and use the money that you get for your school, and later in life when you are making the big money, you can buy a brand evo like you want.

I never had the chance to go to school, i didnt even finish high school because i had to pay for my own rent food and stuff like that, and plus i was little afraid because english is not 1st language,so i started high school when i was 18,yes i said 18 i tried to do good at school but it was hard, working 8 hours a day M-f and 12 hours sat and sun. right now i have an ok job (12.00/hr) but i think is nothing compared to someone who has a carrier, so my advise is focus in your education first, or you'll regret it, right now noone will accept me for the alternative learning center, they say i'm too old, so now i cant even get a ged.. but it's up to you man.

[EDMUND65]

you know why? DSM...

[AbsoluteGTR]

In Sphyders case we are talking about $12,000 -$20,000 he can get for his car. But for you, we are talking a measely $1500. No disrespect intended...but you can raise $1500 someway, somehow. From what I have read, you waited forever to get your car and worked you ass bloody to fix her up. I say just park it and focus on school.

And you are out of your mind.... forget about owning a $25000 EVO. If you still have the cavalier, use that.

PS: Next time dont abuse the car .....so much. I know its hard. Hell, with me boosting now, its really hard not too.

Good luck.

[EDMUND65]

yea you did mention and got very excited about geting the car, i woudlnt give it up just yet, you can make the money easy to do the rebuild, hell last saturday i made 1500$ in one day.... those jobs are out there you just have to find them....

[Thor06]

Thanks absolute, I am thinking thats what I am going to do. I do have the Cavy still and I will until it dies. I am not going to buy the Evo now, it is going to come sometime probably within a year of graduating from college.

$1500 doing what?! Legal or illegal? I know there are some medical testing facilities that pay out fuckin hardcore I could do. Dont worry nothing endangering, I'm just a little bit crazy . I could sell myself on the streets at night...

[AbsoluteGTR]

Originally Posted by Thor06

I could sell myself on the streets at night...

OMG, that is where the money lies...I mean, I wouldnt know though....

As for the Cavy, same here. Those little bastards just wont die. Mine is about to hit 85K and I have abused it to hell and back for the last 20K miles that I have had it. I literally floor it to every stoplight. Pull the handbrake whenever I have the chance. Try to powerbrake via handbrake. I just love to hydroplane. Always trying to master the art of reversing and then whipping it around to drive straight.....And I have had to maintain absolutely nothing; brakes are going to need to be changed soon and thats it, and ofcourse a new set of rear tires (funny how that works out, especially when your car is FWD, )

It looks like you are coming to your senses though, just park that bad boy and fix it up later on down the road.

Hey, edmund...what did you do to make that kind of $$$, seriously, I want to know, lol.

[Thor06]

So heres my new plan. Pull the engine, take it apart and assess the damage. Sell off/store any reuseable parts. Get Mike's engine and put a new head gasket on just for good measure for sure, possible rebuild? What do you guys think? In his car, it had good crompression, right timing, spark, and fuel and for whatever reason, it wont start. I think its something other than the engine internals though so it shouldnt matter. I will rip out some of the interior, AC (doesnt work anyway), heater core, cruise control and all that shit I wont ever really need on a summer weekend car. Then I will take the tranny, weld the center differential, put cut off CV shafts in to seal up the tranny and make it RWD. Also, as long as its out, I will get a ACT 2600 and lightweight flywheel on there. Then once its all done, I put it back together, and go do donuts and practice drifting . What do you guys think? I will get the free shit done before school such as removal of the AC, interior, heater core, etc, engine out, get the new engine (mike will let me pay over time and hes willing to work with me on the price), and do the welded diff and CV shaft mod if its a DIY project. Then over school I should have enough to get the clutch and get the other shit. I will maybe work on it over christmas, easter, or whatever holidays I am up, then when school gets out like May 3rd I will come home, finish it up and start having fun again. Would you guys agree with me on this? You are all right, I cant get rid of it. In the grand scheme of things that $1500 aint shit and my car is too hard to get rid of. Opinions on the new plan and my method of RWD conversion are welcomed/appreciated!

[crunchymilk55]

Well, I'm going to try and say this as tactfully as possible, but it seems like user error has been at fault here. Both with the valve issue and the rod knock. Maybe you should backtrack and figure out what you're doing wrong, that way you don't make the same mistake again and go through all this. I would figure out what is going wrong 100% before I start working on another motor, or even rebuilding the same one.

[Thor06]

Crunchy (and anyone else) dont worry about being tactful with me. I would rather hear it how it is you know? But I do appreciate you being nice about it . Well, that rod knock is a gay story and its my fault its not running now. The car was advertised with lifter tick. Well, it over heated, we parked it, and trailered it home. We were pulling it into the shop and my dad listened to it, and said, "Is that a rod knocking?" I was like, "No, its just got some lifter tick." He said ok. I didnt think it was a rod knocking, I have heard it described as a low pitched ping. Definately not a ping, it was a click. Well, as I got into takeing it apart, I found that the turbo was only held on by 3 bolts and the nuts/studs on the exhaust manifold were all finger loosenable except one. Lifter tick, a loose manifold, and a missing turbo bolt can all cause a ticking noise. So I kinda half dismissed this rod knock idea for the time being. When I got it started the first time, I listened at idle and revved it up, still had the "lifter tick" but it wasnt as bad so I figured it was ok. Thats where I made my critical mistake. The first time I had the head out, I should have just pulled the whole bottom end and rebuilt it, but I didnt think that the rod was knocking. So I know why it was knocking. I know why I bent the first set of valves, I didnt have that washer on between the crank sprocket and that big 22mm nut so the sprocket walked out and the timing belt fell up in there. I dont know for sure, but I think the second two valves I bent was because I put the cams in before I put the head on so they bent on the way in, and the third timing I thought I bent valves, it was just that OEM MLS headgasket not wanting to seal after being torqued and retorqued. Arrogance and inexperience. I dont think I am going to do any rebuilding at the moment, just his good motor for my blown one. Does that make sense to anyone else?

[crunchymilk55]

right on, you'll never make those mistakes again.

I can't remember this far back but did I ever tell you how to tell the difference between lifter tick and rod knock? I try to post it everytime I even see either mentioned, but I can't remember that far back right now. Basically you just unplug one spark plug wire at a time. If the sound goes away, that cylinder has rod knock.

[Thor06]

Yeah, I do remember that and we started on it in the Super 8 when she really starte to knock. The funny thing is, she doesnt make that much different of a noise at idle, you can sorta tell, but I wouldnt have thought twice about it had I not been looking for it. Well, we were going to just crack the TB open and listen. Well when we did, she was knocking hard enough so that it almost hurt out ears. We figured it needs to come out reguardless of which one is knocking. Not like I give a damn whether the rod goes out the block or not, either way I have to rebuild, but I figure the block might be a good core for someone sometime so I didnt want to push it doing the knock test. So what would you do about Mikes engine? Like I said, it holds oil, has decent compression, the timing is set right, and it wasnt knocking or anything before, not even lifter tick IIRC. I sorta want to rip it apart and rebuild it with some new bearings, ARP rod/main bolts and 2g pistons. Well that is going to cost like $400 in parts, the I shouldnt assemble it, the bottom end assembly is one thing I dont really want to fuck up so I would have plenty of machinist bills. Then on top of all that, I have to break it in, all for something thats not even broken. What do you think?

Any guidance on the welded center diff/cutoff CV axle method of RWD? I know its going to suck around corners, I had to push my dads race car with a welded diff. Then agian, she'll see road like 3 times a week max and it wont be for very much driving when it is.