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#1
08-20-2001, 08:05 PM
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Coil over conversion ?'s
Hey I'm just throwing out a ? in hope to get a lead.
I want to ditch my t-bars and get a coil-over system. What I want to know is if any of you X-men know of any websites where some pre-taco yota's have done this or anybody that has done this with an IFS set-up that has a t-bar setup. Or if any of you personally or know of somebody that has done something similar I would appreciate it. Thanks Brian 
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#2
08-21-2001, 08:14 AM
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I assume you mean coil spring, not coil-over...
Don't know about the front, but eventually I want to do a coil-spring conversion in back. Probably gonna run $1000, or thereabouts.
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#3
08-21-2001, 09:07 AM
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I would love to see this too. A nice trailing linkage setup with OME springs would do wonders for our trailworthiness.
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#4
08-21-2001, 05:24 PM
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Well as far as my rear flexing more I'm going to copy this guy:
www.geocities.com/yota82/rock_crawl_2000.htm Go to the middle of the page and click on the pic that says"at least my suspension looks cool" I'll probably do it this weekend. By cutting a leaf in half and connecting it to the frame and running it to the top of the shackle. Should be cheap and easy, and should give me a few more inches of flex. Otherwise I'm looking into retro fitting pre 96 pathy's rear 4 link coil system. These babies are really quite flexy even for stock.
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#5
08-21-2001, 05:26 PM
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Mobycat, no I definately want a coil-over setup. Just think Taco/4runner.
I want to ditch my t-bars altogether.
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#6
08-21-2001, 08:54 PM
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Then I'm totally confused...
Or completely ignorant of the Toys...
Coil over is using leaf springs, as far as I was aware...and they don't use leaf springs in front, do they? No t-bars in back, as far as I know... Correct me if I'm wrong...or interpreting what you are looking to do incorrectly.
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#7
08-21-2001, 08:55 PM
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even if that is street legal, it does not look very solid.
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#8
08-21-2001, 09:01 PM
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Re: Then I'm totally confused...
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and this guy here has leafs in front. go to the page above and click on the link titled "I had a good line, but my clutch decided start smoking half way through"
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#9
08-21-2001, 09:54 PM
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Here is a new age tacoma with a solid axle swap up front. Maybe you could take some ideas away from it. http://128.83.80.200/taco/
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#10
08-21-2001, 09:55 PM
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ah ha!
Well then I was partly right... I was confused...and I was incorrect about the Toys...but I was thinking about newer ones. Guess it would pay to look at the damn web page...
 Regardless...I still want a coil spring in back some day.
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#11
08-21-2001, 10:51 PM
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#12
08-21-2001, 11:25 PM
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NO NO NO You guys have me all wrong here, he he. I will try to explain: 1st off: Sorry, I drive a hardbody, so I apologize for posting in your forum. I know some of you are pretty clever and so that was why this was posted, plus I was hoping somebody ran into a conversion like this on the net somewhere 2nd Lets start with the rear leafs. It will only cost me 50 bucks and I really don't care if it is legal. CO doesn't do a "safety inspection" anyway. Also AC hasn't finished "testing" the revolver for the HB yet and I want a cheap and easy way to get some more flex for a while BTW I was told it is a 3/4 eliptical setup and I a guy I've been chattin with on the 4x4 board says he runs this setup and doesn't really have any probs. You still don't get near the flex of a revolver, kinda like a happy medium. Besides if it doesn't work or I don't like it I'm only out 50 bucks. As far as orbit's why???? I will wait for revolvers. This is just a cheap way to get flex and I'm well aware that I might have to extend the brake lines and breather tube. Again no biggie. 3rd (the most confusing and the reason I started this topic  ) The current tacos/4runners do not use t-bars in front. They use a coil over shock system. Spring over the shock itself. I can't think of a better way to explain it. But this is what I'm going after. I can't afford a Solid axle swap right now but I really want some height, approx 6". I can achieve this by "Stacking lifts" AC (which I currently have) with the Trailmaster 4" lift. The tm drops everything your entire front end, along with the T-bars. This makes it possible to have a combined 6" lift(twisting t-bars 2" & 4" of everything dropped). Also as a side note if TM or anybody else actually decides to do this type of lift you will be in the same boat (dropped t-bars). Anyway I want to keep the IFS, ditch the t-bars, and replace them with a "coil-over setup" with the combined TM lift and the right spring rate achieving 2 additional " of height. Now just think of where your shock sits in between your a-arms. Now with the TM lift there is a huge ball joint spacer which will give me a lot more room(top to bottom). Now think of a sping that "wraps" your shock. That is what I'm going after, and totally get rid of the t-bars. I also want to have a new upper a-arm fabbed up using a heim joint so as to eliminate the upper ball joint. The trick is to somehow strengthen the upper shock mount and lower contol arm to now hold all that weight. The sole purpose is to gain 6" of susp lift and get rid of the targets(t-bars) I would just rip those suckers off with some rocks if I were to leave them in. Also I don't really like body lifts. And there is many postive factors about having a coil and getting rid of the bars. I hope I explained myself. Sometimes I know what I'm thinking I just am poor at stating it so I'm sorry for any confusion in advance. I'll go and try to find a pic of the current taco setup to maybe help clarify.
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#13
08-21-2001, 11:40 PM
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Hopefully this link will work
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/mods/...btech_fox1.jpg I know I will not gain any travel, again just trying to get rid of the stupid t-bars.
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#14
08-22-2001, 02:11 AM
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Honestly, a solid axle swap would probably be cheaper.
Fabricating the new upper arm, and new lower arm is going to be expensive. The stock lower shock mount is not designed to handle the stress of a spring, just the shock, so you need something new, or a lot of welding and fabbing. Getting the right spring could also be a bitch. That Tacoma spring is very long (20+ inches), because the distance between the upper and lower arms is longer (much longer than previous t-bar Toyotas, and Nissans). Interesting idea, but I think you will be disappointed in the end. Your truck will sit higher, but you wont have any more wheel travel or articulation.
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#15
08-22-2001, 04:16 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but don't the new Toys use a Macpherson, not a coil over? I seem to recall this is the case and they achieve lift by several different methods thanks to this configuration. A four link, although possible, would be so expensive I agree with XOC on this one, you might as well go straight axle with a soft leaf spring setup for articulation. Then switch the rear to an axle under configuration and turn it into an accident looking for a place to happen. Just my HO.
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