safe hp levels on ko3 and ko4

[VeeDubb_337]

i have chip, turboback exhaust, cai, turbo inlet pipe, tb inlet pipe, exhaust mani, bov, n75 valve. no dyno yet since upgrades, but should be approx. 235whp and 251wtq. i was told im gonna blow my turbo soon because of two reasons, one being 20 psi, two being the large power figures. i was told the k03 can only handle 200whp and the k04 can only handle 230whp? is this true? if i upgrade to a ko4 to prevent from blowing a k03 the added power would blow the k04 because id be up to at least 250whp??? i never wanted to upgrade turbo or fuel system. am i going to have to??? help quick!!! thnx.

[circus20v]

Originally Posted by VeeDubb_337

i have chip, turboback exhaust, cai, turbo inlet pipe, tb inlet pipe, exhaust mani, bov, n75 valve. no dyno yet since upgrades, but should be approx. 235whp and 251wtq. i was told im gonna blow my turbo soon because of two reasons, one being 20 psi, two being the large power figures. i was told the k03 can only handle 200whp and the k04 can only handle 230whp? is this true? if i upgrade to a ko4 to prevent from blowing a k03 the added power would blow the k04 because id be up to at least 250whp??? i never wanted to upgrade turbo or fuel system. am i going to have to??? help quick!!! thnx.

ok, 1st off. you are never going to see that kind of whp from a ko3. not to burst your bubble, but a ko4 will barely do that on a good day. looking over your list there, i am a little confused? it says "exhaust mani", but how with the stock turbo? i do not know of one thats available? you are more in the neighborhood of 190-198 whp, and about 200 trq. even with all the bells and whistles, you would be really pushing it to hit 250whp with the ko4. and yes, you would have to back the fuel system up to match it. so new injectors, and maybe even an inline pump as well a higher pressure fpr. so the short answer is yes, you will have to upgrade if you want to reach those levels..

[VeeDubb_337]

with stock clutch the 1.8t has proven a 15% loss in power from flywheel to wheels. the chip gives a dyno proven 215hp and 247tq. those are to flywheel. hence 188whp, 210wtq. apr 2.5" tb exhaust is also proven to do 25+whp with no other mods at all! so right there is 213whp and lets say 230wtq. the valves together and intake should add another 10 to the wheels 223,240. the tb inlet and turbo inlet yield yet another proven ten, so altogether were lookin at 233whp, and 250wtq. where are you getting 190whp when chip alone is proven to do that?

[VeeDubb_337]

a company called atp makes an exhaust mani for stock transverse turbos, as does apr. http://www.aptuning.com/products.php?productid=719 there ya go. also a good friend of mine has a stage 2 ion redline (247hp, 211lbft) with full exhaust as well so his figures are even higher. his car cant hold with mine, not even close for first half mile. btw thanks for answering any of my questions.

[circus20v]

Originally Posted by VeeDubb_337

with stock clutch the 1.8t has proven a 15% loss in power from flywheel to wheels. the chip gives a dyno proven 215hp and 247tq. those are to flywheel. hence 188whp, 210wtq. apr 2.5" tb exhaust is also proven to do 25+whp with no other mods at all! so right there is 213whp and lets say 230wtq. the valves together and intake should add another 10 to the wheels 223,240. the tb inlet and turbo inlet yield yet another proven ten, so altogether were lookin at 233whp, and 250wtq. where are you getting 190whp when chip alone is proven to do that?

put it on the dyno and prove me wrong? if you can handle the truth that is? i have been there little boy, and am now pushing 298.8whp on a Dyno dynamics dyno. and if you want to start throwing around correction factors to sound cool, that dyno has been known to show about 3% lower then a dynojet. so that being said, i would be in the neighborhood of 330whp on the old dyno down at elite? so if we want to add 15% to those, we could look at it as 343.62hp at the crank/ or 379.5 hp at the crank? but numbers are numbers dude. so when you are done internet racing, ante up and get on the dyno and prove it

[VeeDubb_337]

i will be getting a dyno, i have 650 in the bank right now to put towards my car, 1050 installed for a lsd, thats next. when thats done im dyno'ing my car. all im saying is if u think my numbers are wrong then you call apr and tell them their engineers are wrong and their dyno is broke, because they are the one's quoting these figures. what does the power of your car have to do with anything, nothing. and in regards to mr joshuas post, a burnt out coil pack would not create power surges and an intermittent loss of power, it would merely throw off timing as well as an engine code and he would be experiencing a lot more of power loss equally through his powerband. i think you need to replace your crap pipe cuz u obviously know nothing about cars. let me guess youve got biggg turbo with upgraded fuel system big 3" exhaust wit 5" fart can muffler and you think youve got 350hp. well if you do have that much then what shop rebuilt your motor, how many hours did they charge to do the bottom end and how many for the top. also what pistons did you buy and who made the crank? and what kind of seals are you using?? thanks yet again for another bullshit post deushbag. and by the way since our cars dont have standalone emu's how did you adjust the timing for the added power and what air/fuel ratio are you running?

[circus20v]

well, i wasnt trying to turn this into a fight. and no, my car wasnt built by a shop thank you very much. and nor do i claim to know it all. but you are fighting with quoted info, not real numbers. big difference. like i said, when you can prove it with numbers that are real and done on your car, call my bluff?

oh yea, and just to prove i dont have a fart can ricer wannabe, heres mine.
http://eurotuner.com/featuredvehicle...003_gti_turbo/

[VeeDubb_337]

i coulda found an article online too... anways what pistons did you buy and who made the crank? and what kind of seals are you using?? thanks yet again for another bullshit post deushbag. and by the way since our cars dont have standalone emu's how did you adjust the timing for the added power and what air/fuel ratio are you running?

[circus20v]

Originally Posted by VeeDubb_337

i coulda found an article online too... anways what pistons did you buy and who made the crank? and what kind of seals are you using?? thanks yet again for another bullshit post deushbag. and by the way since our cars dont have standalone emu's how did you adjust the timing for the added power and what air/fuel ratio are you running?

ok bro, i am not going to argue with you on if thats me or not, but you would be hard pressed to find someone to tattoo themselves to look like me lol. as for pistons and what not, completely stock bro. no need to upgrade yet? revo big turbo programming on a stock ecu, as well as a stock 3bar fpr. 42lb green top injectors witha walbro drop in 255lph fuel pump. i have over 20k miles on this set-up with out anything other then tearing up gear boxes and clutches. so whats it going to take for you to realize that no matter how many time you call me deuchebag (correct spelling, by the way), you dont know a thing you are talking about.

[VeeDubb_337]

how can you run at over 200lb-ft above stock and have no problems with timing?? not to mention how can the stock internals handle 200+ extra lbft and hp??? the ls1 all aluminum built v8 that was in late model camaros ta's and vettes as of '02 couldn't even handle that much extra power.

[circus20v]

Originally Posted by VeeDubb_337

how can you run at over 200lb-ft above stock and have no problems with timing?? not to mention how can the stock internals handle 200+ extra lbft and hp??? the ls1 all aluminum built v8 that was in late model camaros ta's and vettes as of '02 couldn't even handle that much extra power.

where are you coming up with that? stock puts down about roughley 170 trq to the wheels, and i am coming in at 280+. thats not an increase in 200 lb ft?as for the internals, they have been pushed as far as 600+ crank hp by audi in race R&D. as well as guys i know pushing up over 400 at the wheels with stock internals. not that it will take it for long though, and most of them have to rebuild after reaching that point. i do plan on doing rods, pistons, etc eventually. but no point until i blow up what has been running strong for 2 years.

[VeeDubb_337]

i believe in an earlier post on the "old dyno" you quoted 379.5 lb ft of torque...?... it's 172 to flywheel stock 150.416 to the wheels as far as stock torque goes. so 379 would be more than 200+

[VeeDubb_337]

this is not my car but here is an example of a 1.8t with ko3 producing over 200hp to wheels and almost 250lbft to wheels. keep in mind i am 93chip tbexh mani cai tip tbip dv n75. this car has chip and exhaust thats it. (209.1whp, 244.7wtq) http://www.vwfixx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14079