TBI Swap

[Andyjk1]

Has anyone put a TBI system from a later model truck, say 88, on an earlier model truck without TBI? I have the donor vehicle that I can take anything off and have the entire system available. Wondering if anyone has done this and what exactly I'm going to need to make this work. Thanks!

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by Andyjk1

Has anyone put a TBI system from a later model truck, say 88, on an earlier model truck without TBI? I have the donor vehicle that I can take anything off and have the entire system available. Wondering if anyone has done this and what exactly I'm going to need to make this work. Thanks!

Run a search under federal emissions laws or the Federal clean air act

http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/

http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/title2.html#iia

EPA Laws sections.


http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/emissions.htm

Emissions Laws
The Federal Clean Air Act as amended in 1990 has extended the prohibition against removal or rendering inoperative vehicle emissions control devices by the consumer. Changing an engine or even a transmission in a vehicle may change its pollution status and render it illegal for street or even off-road use on lands that are covered by emissions laws. This usually applies to later model vehicles and this, along with other pertinent laws vary from state to state. Generally engines and associated emissions controls from vehicles that are the same year or newer vintage as the vehicle to which they are being converted are legal swaps. However, it is the owner's responsibility to investigate the smog laws and determine that any changes you make to your vehicle will not cause it to be in violation of any state and federal regulations.

Many often ask about the difficulty of installing late model engines, especially those which are OBDII compliant - which includes all engines after 1996. There are some sticky issues involved, but as interest in swaps remains so strong, many resources are available to help decipher it all. We will continue to work in this area so we may be of assistance and offer helpful products to assist with these technologically advanced conversions.



http://www.racingbeat.com/emissions.htm


U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Vehicle Programs & Compliance Division (6405J)
Attn: Warranty Complaints
401 M Street, SW
Washington, DC 20460

http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt

SEC. 205. CIVIL PENALTIES.
(a) Violations.- Any person who violates sections 203(a)(1),
203(a)(4), or 203(a)(5) or any manufacturer or dealer who
violates section 203(a)(3)(A) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $25,000. Any person otherthan a manufacturer or
dealer who violates section 203(a)(3)(A) or any person who
violates section 203(a)(3)(B) shall be subject to a civil penalty
of not more than $2,500. Any such violation with respect to
paragraph (1),(3)(A), or (4) of section 203(a) shall constitute a
separate offense with respect to each motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine. Any such violation with respect to section
203(a)(3)(B) shall constitute a separate offense with respect to
each part or component. Any person who violates section 203(a)(2)
shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $25,000 per
day of violation.
(b) Civil Actions.- The Administrator may commence a civil
action to assess and recover any civil penalty under subsection
(a) of this section, section 211(d), or section 213(d). Any
action under this subsection may be brought in the district court
of the United States for the district in which the violation is
alleged to have occurred or in which the defendant resides or has
the Administrator's principal place of business, and the court
shall have jurisdiction to assess a civil penalty. In determining
the amount of any civil penalty to be assessed under this
subsection, the court shall take into account the gravity of the
violation, the economic benefit or savings (if any) resulting
from the violation, the size of the violator's business, the
violator's history of compliance with this title, action taken to
remedy the violation, the effect of the penalty on the violator's
ability to continue in business, and such other matters as
justice may require. In any such action, subpoenas for witnesses
who are
required to attend a district court in any district may run into
any other district.
(c) Administrative Assessment of Certain Penalties.-
(1) Administrative penalty authority.- In lieu of
commencing a civil action under subsection (b), the
Administrator may assess any civil penalty prescribed in
subsection (a) of this section, section 211(d), or section
213(d), except that the maximum amount of penalty sought
against each violator in a penalty assessment proceeding
shall not exceed $200,000, unless the Administrator and
the Attorney General jointly determine that a matter
involving a larger penalty amount is appropriate for
administrative penalty assessment. Any such determination
by the Administrator and the Attorney General shall not be
subject to judicial review. Assessment of a civil penalty
under this subsection shall be by an order made on the
record after opportunity for a hearing in accordance with
sections 554 and 556 of title 5 of the United States Code.
The Administrator shall issue reasonable rules for
discovery and other procedures for hearings under this
paragraph. Before issuing such an order, the Administrator
shall give written notice to the person to be assessed an
administrative penalty of the Administrator's proposal to
issue such order and provide such person an opportunity to
request such a hearing on the order, within 30 days of the
date the notice is received by such person. The
Administrator may compromise, or remit, with or without
conditions, any administrative penalty which may be
imposed under this section.
(2) Determining amount.- In determining the amount of
any civil penalty assessed under this subsection, the
Administrator shall take into account the gravity of the
violation, the economic benefit or savings (if any)
resulting from the violation, the size of the violator's
business, the violator's history of compliance with this
title, action taken to remedy the violation, the effect of
the penalty on the violator's ability to continue in
business, and such other matters as justice may require.
(3) Effect of administrator's action.- (A) Action by
the Administrator under this subsection shall not affect
or limit the Administrator's authority to enforce any
provision of this Act; except that any violation,
(i) with respect to which the Administrator has
commenced and is diligently prosecuting an action
under this subsection, or
(ii) for which the Administrator has issued a
final order not subject to further judicial review
and the violator has paid a penalty assessment under
this subsection,
shall not be the subject of civil penalty action under
subsection (b).
(B) No action by the Administrator under this
subsection shall affect any person's obligation to comply
with any section of this Act.
(4) Finality of order.- An order issued under this
subsection shall become final 30 days after its issuance
unless a petition for judicial review is filed under
paragraph (5).
(5) Judicial review.- Any person against whom a civil
penalty is assessed in accordance with this subsection may
seek review of the assessment in the United States District
Court for the District of Columbia, or for the district in
which the violation is alleged to have occurred, in which
such person resides, or where such person's principal place
of business is located, within the 30-day period beginning
on the date a civil penalty order is issued. Such person
shall simultaneously send a copy of the filing by certified
mail to the Administrator and the Attorney General. The
Administrator shall file in the court a certified copy, or
certified index, as appropriate, of the record on which the
order was issued within 30 days. The court shall not set
aside or remand any order issued in accordance with the
requirements of this subsection unless there is not
substantial evidence in the record, taken as a whole, to
support the finding of a violation or unless the
Administrator's assessment of the penalty constitutes an
abuse of discretion, and the court shall not impose
additional civil penalties unless the Administrator's
assessment of the penalty constitutes an abuse of
discretion. In any proceedings, the United States may seek
to recover civil penalties assessed under this section.
(6) Collection.- If any person fails to pay an assessment
of a civil penalty imposed by the Administrator as provided
in this subsection-
(A) after the order making the assessment has become
final, or
(B) after a court in an action brought under
paragraph (5) has entered a final judgment in favor of
the Administrator,
the Administrator shall request the Attorney General to
bring a civil action in an appropriate district court to
recover the amount assessed (plus interest at rates
established pursuant to section 6621(a)(2) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986 from the date of the final order or the
date of the final judgment, as the case may be). In such an
action, the validity, amount, and appropriateness of the
penalty shall not be subject to review. Any person who fails
to pay on a timely basis the amount of an assessment of a
civil penalty as described in the first sentence of this
paragraph shall be required to pay, in addition to that
amount and interest, the United States' enforcement
expenses, including attorneys fees and costs for collection
proceedings, and a quarterly nonpayment penalty for each
quarter during which such failure to pay persists. The
nonpayment penalty shall be in an amount equal to 10 percent
of the aggregate amount of that person's penalties and
nonpayment penalties which are unpaid as of the beginning of
such quarter.
[42 U.S.C. 7524]

[Andyjk1]

That's great, but I'm going to be putting the stuff from an 88 into an 82 including all the emissions equipment. Therefore, it should actually test much better with emissions than if I kept the carbuerator and stock 82 equipment.

[horse482]

Holley makes a tbi kit that comes with a self contained ecm and the harness to hook it up. You could take an intake, tbi, and ecu off of an 88, but you would have to wire up all of the sensors ie. map, tps, o2, iac, etc. I have seen it done to a couple of trucks.

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by Andyjk1

That's great, but I'm going to be putting the stuff from an 88 into an 82 including all the emissions equipment. Therefore, it should actually test much better with emissions than if I kept the carbuerator and stock 82 equipment.

Read secton 203 and 205 real close.
Tamper with is the key word.
Good Luck MT