Which car would win in what event?

[Stetchkov]

The Contenders:
Nissan 350z
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX
Mazda RX-8

The coarses:
Drag
Road coarse

Which cars do you think would win in what event?

PS: Each car should be the newest year like the Lance EVO is 2006, etc.

[derekb]

Play GT4 to see the road course times

drag times should be very easy to find.

1/4 times:
350z: mid/high 13's
evo: low/mid 13's
rx-8: mid/low 14's

[BurntGauge]

Originally Posted by Stetchkov

Nissan 350z
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX
Mazda RX-8

Road course:
Evo IX
350Z
RX8

Drag:
Evo IX
350Z
RX8

[DinanM3_S2]

Originally Posted by BurntGauge

Road course:
Evo IX
350Z
RX8

Drag:
Evo IX
350Z
RX8

Endurance Race:
350z
Evo (DNF Transmission)
RX8 (DNF Engine Exploded)

[kman10587]

The 350Z would probably break its front suspension as well, so neither of the three would finish. I haven't heard anything about Renesis going boom, by the way, where did you hear that?

[Rand Race]

Endurance Race:
350z
Evo (DNF Transmission)
RX8 (DNF Engine Exploded)

How many Nissans have won LeMans? How many Mitsus? How many rotary powered Mazdas?

0, 0, and 7 (1 overall, 6 class) respectively. Mazda, with 31 rotary powered LeMans entries, has a 67% reliability rate. In the history of the race only Honda has a better reliability rate (100%) but they've only entered 3 cars in the race.

[blakscorpion21]

short drag
evo
z
rx-8

long drag
z
evo
rx8

track
evo
z
rx-8

[drdisque]

the "track" obviously depends on the type of track and how fast or technical it is.

The RX8 could definitely win on a tight technical course

[DinanM3_S2]

Originally Posted by Rand Race

How many Nissans have won LeMans? How many Mitsus? How many rotary powered Mazdas?

0, 0, and 7 (1 overall, 6 class) respectively. Mazda, with 31 rotary powered LeMans entries, has a 67% reliability rate. In the history of the race only Honda has a better reliability rate (100%) but they've only entered 3 cars in the race.

Audis and Fords have won LeMans as well, they arn't particularly reliable either.

In all fairness I'm just making a generalization on rotary engines based on the RX-7. I honestly havn't heard anything good or bad about RX-8 reliability.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by kman10587

The 350Z would probably break its front suspension as well, so neither of the three would finish. I haven't heard anything about Renesis going boom, by the way, where did you hear that?

they are in and out of the local mazda dealership needing new engines with under 20k miles. ages ranging from 25 year olds who romp on them to 60 year old men who wanted a sports car with backseats. alot of upset buyers to say the least.

performance model 350Z could hang with an EVO on a non technical track, otherwise the EVO wins in every category.

BTW: im still trying to figure out what LeMans has to do with this comparison.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by k3smostwanted

im still trying to figure out what LeMans has to do with this comparison.

didn't you know?
the cars we buy for the road are exactly like the ones they race in le man, only with different bodies, differernt chassis, different suspension, different engines.....

that's the real reason why honda sucks; because they are crap in F1.

[Rand Race]

BTW: im still trying to figure out what LeMans has to do with this comparison.

Really? Which word did you fail to comprehend, "endurance" or "race"?

I'm with most everyone else here. Short of a small autocross track or a very twisty downhill run the RX-8 is going to lose to the 350Z and/or Evo in a race (given drivers of similar skill) unless that race is more than 12 hours long. Fact is Mazda rotary powered cars (from LMP prototypes to nearly stock GTs) have had much, much greater success in endurance racing than either Nissan or Mitsubishi.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Rand Race

Really? Which word did you fail to comprehend, "endurance" or "race"?

I'm with most everyone else here. Short of a small autocross track or a very twisty downhill run the RX-8 is going to lose to the 350Z and/or Evo in a race (given drivers of similar skill) unless that race is more than 12 hours long. Fact is Mazda rotary powered cars (from LMP prototypes to nearly stock GTs) have had much, much greater success in endurance racing than either Nissan or Mitsubishi.

I guess I missed the words..."moot point".

Dude, LeMans has nothing to do with the cars we buy from the factory with a warantee and leather seats. Bottom Line. See post #11 for further details. I can understand the Mazda defense in this comparison because it was clearly horribly executed from the factory but when it is out-matched...it is out-matched. The level that the RX-8 is at, should place it in competition with cars costing $10k less. Great idea...poorly executed by Mazda.

[Rand Race]

Apparently you missed the concept of "classes".

Not every car in endurance racing is a factory prototype racer. Stock-engined class a and b RX-8s hold multiple world endurance records and the three class b RX-8s in the European Endurance Series this season have a 100% finishing rate over 8 races. (No RX-8s have run LeMans, I just used it as a fairly accurate and high profile gauge of Mazda's overall endurance success with the wankel engine vis a vis other Japanese car makers). Those results are a wee bit more relevant to how a showroom RX-8 would do in an endurance race than apocryphal stories of sub-20k engine failures or your personal opinion of the car.

Heck, I'm no huge fan of the RX-8. It's ugly (although not as ugly as the Evo), heavy (though not so much as the Z) and overly thirsty. Of these three cars I'd take the LanEvo in a heartbeat (or an S2000 if it was my money being spent), but the plain fact is that rotaries, especially naturally aspirated rotaries, are extraordinarily succesfull in endurance racing.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by Rand Race

Apparently you missed the concept of "classes".

Not every car in endurance racing is a factory prototype racer. Stock-engined class a and b RX-8s hold multiple world endurance records and the three class b RX-8s in the European Endurance Series this season have a 100% finishing rate over 8 races. (No RX-8s have run LeMans, I just used it as a fairly accurate and high profile gauge of Mazda's overall endurance success with the wankel engine vis a vis other Japanese car makers). Those results are a wee bit more relevant to how a showroom RX-8 would do in an endurance race than apocryphal stories of sub-20k engine failures or your personal opinion of the car.

Heck, I'm no huge fan of the RX-8. It's ugly (although not as ugly as the Evo), heavy (though not so much as the Z) and overly thirsty. Of these three cars I'd take the LanEvo in a heartbeat (or an S2000 if it was my money being spent), but the plain fact is that rotaries, especially naturally aspirated rotaries, are extraordinarily succesfull in endurance racing.

to avoid further discussion about this subject, let me refer you to the thread starters post.

The Contenders:
Nissan 350z
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX
Mazda RX-8

The coarses:
Drag
Road coarse

Which cars do you think would win in what event?

PS: Each car should be the newest year like the Lance EVO is 2006, etc.

now where in there do you see endurance racing...so i tell you again "moot point".

if you would like to discuss endurance racing we can bring up cars for endurance racing. bottom line, the new rotary is very weak in terms of performance aspects in todays standard. it's underpowered, lacking in torque, gets horrible gas mileage for what it is.

please give me a used M3 for that money.