circumcision in the courts

[highteknology]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13337203/

basically the father does not want his son to be cut while the mother does. the boy complains that it gets inflamed and hurts sometimes. the kid is 8. i would think that if it is hurting him then the father would have some sympathy and go ahead and let the dr. do what they do. seems ridiculous to have to take this to court. the argument is that there isn't really any proven benefits to being circumcised. i know in the Jewish faith that it is a ritual. the family here though is not jewish, even though the mother has married a jewish man now. the article also states that the percentage of babies being circumcised has dropped from 90% back in the 70's to about 60% now.

[00accord44]

From what i know of the story, the father is anrgy that they're jumping straight to circumcision without trying other treatments first. treatments that don't involve taking to his son's jewels with a knife

And weren't they saying that doing a 'cision on the boy could cause other problems? If not now, then later in life? I dunno. I'm no doctor but I do know that sharp objects and my man region are kept completely separated!!! idon't even like havin a zipper on my jeans... seems too risky

[highteknology]

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Originally Posted by 00accord44

From what i know of the story, the father is anrgy that they're jumping straight to circumcision without trying other treatments first. treatments that don't involve taking to his son's jewels with a knife

they are just removin some skin, not like they are goin after the cojones.

the article didn't go too deep into what the problems were or anything. but maybe all it takes is a lesson for the boy to learn that if you are not cut then you have to constantly keep the foreskin clean. that may just be what is happening. i'll agree though that havin it cut when you are 8 is going to cause some sort of trauma later down the road in life, maybe not physical but probably mental or something like that.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by highteknology

they are just removin some skin, not like they are goin after the cojones.

Its a little more than just some skin.
You clearly don't have a penis.

Give the kid some anti-biotics, and teach him to wash under the cover when he has a shower.
End of the problem, and the kid gets to keep his end.


Removing parts of a childs body for no rational reason is simply barbaric, there is no other way to describe it.

[highteknology]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Its a little more than just some skin.
You clearly don't have a penis.

yeah, i realized my error after i put it there. oh well, now you all get to laugh at me

[2.2 Straight six]

bleugh, i'm glad i never got the "stretch 'n' chop". as said before they should try other methods to cure the problem first. what pisses me off is when people say that circumcision makes it cleaner. no, if you shower you will be clean it's that simple. it's the person as a whole and in general that's clean.

[Muscletang]

What's the big deal? I guess I just don't get it at all. They're not cutting off his winky and just removing some skin that covers it. If the child can't get in there and clean it right then maybe it should be made easier for him.

Skin? No skin? It's still going to be able to do its job so I don't see what the big fight is over. Or is there something I'm missing here?

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Or is there something I'm missing here?

A penis?
Either you've been chopped when you were to young to remember, and so have no idea what it would be like having it chopped off when your old enough to remember, or you have nerve damage, and have my deepest sympathies.


As for whats wrong with it?
Well whats right with it?
Your mutiliating a childs body for no rational reason.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Moppie

A penis?

Got one thanks. Love it.

Originally Posted by Moppie

Either you've been chopped when you were to young to remember, and so have no idea what it would be like having it chopped off when your old enough to remember

At birth, so that's a yes.

Originally Posted by Moppie

or you have nerve damage, and have my deepest sympathies.

Not to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by Moppie

As for whats wrong with it?
Well whats right with it?
Your mutiliating a childs body for no rational reason.

Depends who you talk to. Some see it as useless skin. Others think to just leave it alone.

Do we know though they'll just dry cut. Or could they use pain killers? If it was just a dry cut, yeah I could see the uproar. If this kid won't feel a thing though, I don't see what's wrong.

[Moppie]

Well, if you had one, or if you ever get a chance to examine one, you will see that there some very fine blood vesels that run through it, in a baby these a small and undeveloped, in an 8 year old boy they are big enough to be a problem, making quite involved surgury, in an adult male they can make the whole process quite risky, and it isn't recomended.

And of course your creating a wound that will take some time to heal, that process will be painful for the kid, and your doing it in an area that has a very high chance of infection.
One bad microbe in there and they will have to cut it off.
And of course I hate to think what the potential for scar damage is.

But regardless of the medical reasons for not doing it, when there are other less invasive treatments avliable, you are talking about mutilating another human being with out thier fully informed consent for no rational reason.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Well, if you had one, or if you ever get a chance to examine one, you will see that there some very fine blood vesels that run through it, in a baby these a small and undeveloped, in an 8 year old boy they are big enough to be a problem, making quite involved surgury, in an adult male they can make the whole process quite risky, and it isn't recomended.

Well I knew there was a whole lot of blood flowing there for obvious reasons. I did not know there were major vesels in the area they want to cut.

Originally Posted by Moppie

And of course your creating a wound that will take some time to heal, that process will be painful for the kid, and your doing it in an area that has a very high chance of infection.
One bad microbe in there and they will have to cut it off.
And of course I hate to think what the potential for scar damage is.

True.

Originally Posted by Moppie

But regardless of the medical reasons for not doing it, when there are other less invasive treatments avliable, you are talking about mutilating another human being with out thier fully informed consent for no rational reason.

If there is another way I say go for it. As I said, if the kid doesn't feel much and they can pull it off, I don't care either. But if they get him some cream or something and can do the same, good deal.

[03cavPA]

The boy's father should take the responsibility for teaching the kid how to keep it clean. If the kid is experiencing discomfort, then it would appear that has not been done.

If he can't keep it clean, he places himself at greater health risk, and he places his regular sexual partners at greater risk for cervical cancer.

Keep it clean, or have the foreskin removed. Kind of a no-brainer, if you ask me. Yes, it's a highly vascular area, and all surgery carries risk. All the more reason to be more diligent with hygiene.

[fredjacksonsan]

8 year olds aren't known for hygiene. Teach him. No sense having surgery at this late age; if he wants to be clipped as an adult, that should be up to him.

The article said the mother says he's had problems "in the last year". Well sure; but I don't see any mention of any medical evidence being put into the court, and the mother can say whatever she wants to.

I'm on the father's side here, no surgery for a child unless it is necessary without a doubt.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

If this kid won't feel a thing though, I don't see what's wrong.

He'd feel plenty in the week of recovery afterwards...

[Jet-Lee]

Let the kid decide.....

I'm super happy my parents chopped mine up. It feels sooooo good. My boys will be gettin' it at birth as well.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by Jet-Lee

Let the kid decide.....

I'm super happy my parents chopped mine up. It feels sooooo good. My boys will be gettin' it at birth as well.

I'm glad my shit doesn't look like a fucking ant-eater.