spec-v and srt-4

[auracle]

whats ur guys' opinions on how these 2 compete with each other? ive read some threads, but, i want more. whatchall think

[Chiquae07]

this is really open. due to it being in the sentra section, it shoudnt get to bad. srt-4s are good, but not that great. im not sure how u can try and get how the 2 compare with each other. they are both cars in 2 different classes. for 1, the soec-v isnt forced inducted. if it was, then this would be a logical comparison but it isn't. a spec-v will kill a srt-4 in all aspects but straight line power. pluz insurance is cheaper for spec-v than srt-4. lower maintaince rate, etc...its not really the srt-4's are bad, its ususally the cocky driver behind the wheel thinks they are all bad ass, and run a 15 in the 1/4 at the track. the srt-4 runs ususally low 14s. the fastest on street tires spec-v runs is about a low to flat 15. now if u were to grab i/h/e cams and a ecu tune, u could too be there with the srt-4s. cheaper price, better gas milage, getter everything else. i think i have said enough.

[nismo_pilot]

the spec will kill the srt in just about everything but 3rd gear and on in a drag............the spec gets out of the hole better and will actually beat the srt in the 1/8th mile if the sentra driver knows what he's doing, open diff means the srt wont handle as good and for the 5k in price difference you could have yourself a turbocharged spec which will put out almost 100 more hp if you spent the entire 5k on mods............dollar for dollar the spec is a better choice

[ProZach626]

I looked at the SRT4's, but I just couldn't bring myself to buy a dodge. I'm not a Domestic fan at all. Which would you think most people would hold to a higher standard, a Nissan or a Dodge? I'm going to break the two cars down visually. (i'm comparing with my 03, I don't like 04+ front clip or the rims) Okay so the SRT4 looks cool with the big spoiler and the hood scoop. It even has a decent ground effects package. However, it looks rather childish and most people will still say "well that's just a neon". Who really wants to drive a neon besides the people that can't afford to mod anything else? It also looks childish in a way.
Okay so lets take my spec v. Yeah it didn't look fast and furious when I bought it, but it had one major thing on it that the SRT4 didn't: CLASS. Even starting with my basic 03 spec, I still turned heads sometimes. If it doesn't look sporty enough for you, do subtle non-riced out mods, like I did to mine. I have a 03 silver spec v. The front end of this car is beautiful and agressive without screaming "look at me i'm a teenager". It even looks better when you take the front Nissan Badge off, as I did. I also painted my brake calipers a dark red to match my SeR logo and purchased a nice set of zinc plated drilled and slotted rotors which look and perform awesome. This looks great through the 03 wheels because the wheels don't hide them. After that I tinted my windows 35% which isn't cheesy dark and looks different in every shade of light, which is pretty cool. I get a lot of compliments for not getting the typical jet black. I got the darkest sunstrip I could and put a very non-obnoxious spec v logo italisized and not not very bold or big. The only other thing besides that is got halogen lights to make my headlights a slight shade of blue. I keep my car clean all the time. None of the cosmetic mods I have done to my car are loud and they are all classy. They all blend well and I get plenty of looks from all ages, young and old, not just the 16 year old punks. The girls I have dated all love my car because it stand out, yet it doesn't fit in with the teenage kids and their rice rockets. The only other things that will effect my car visually to come are lowering 1.5 inches, new tires, and exhaust(nismo which looks nice. NO RICE PIPES ON NISSAN). So there you have my VISUAL comparison. My car turns more heads and gets more respect than any SRT4 I have ever seen. Plus with their ground effects package and spoiler, you can't alter them much to make yours look unique. I just with Nissan wouldn't have changed the front clip, the rims, and the guages on the 04+ models(that's my opinon I don't knock the 04+ models because their tranny is a lot smoother than mine lol). For the record I have the black/grey interior, i'm not a huge fan of the red/black.

+ SRT4's blow engines like crazy because if you mod them at all without building the engine you are screwing yourself.
+ Half the reason SRT4's handle so well is because of sticky tires, put stickys on specs and look out

[outlaw7532]

Can we get another comparison and not a list of mods on a Sentra?

[fugiot]

I don't know what you guys are smokin', but the SRT will spank the Spec in just about every performance category except slalom. The Spec bests even an STi in slalom speed, but an SRT will smoke a Spec off the line and the whole way down the strip.

Bad part is, the SRT has a horribly inefficient motor. Get this....

The SRT is making 220hp from about 16lbs of boost(I think). An OLD Nissan motor like the SR20 makes 205hp from SEVEN pound of boost. An SR20 under 16lbs would make about 300hp. The QR in the Spec would do about the same.

Other than that and the fact that the SRT blows head gaskets left and right, it IS a very good performer. A decent driver can get a 14.0 quarter out of a stock SRT.

Dollar for dollar, the SRT wins in performance. I just don't like 'em. Motors like the SR20VE, the K20 and the B18 are what belong in FWD sport compacts. Torque steer is teh sukk.


Torque Low_Shift High, bitches.

[nismo_pilot]

the only srt that hooks up off the line is the elusive competition group trim level srt's with the lsd up front, i dogged a stage 3 srt all the way up until midway through 3rd cuz he had one tire up in smoke, they are quick but only from a roll, combine that with the fact that as fugiot said, they only make 220hp on 16 lbs most of theyre power comes in high end giving you plenty of time to jump out ahead of them and hold them off for the 8th, any time after that and they have caught you, but i have personally beat a srt to the 8th, after that they drive right around though, and the spec will walk a srt around the skidpad, unless its the comp group one again then its pretty close

[Chiquae07]

fugiot ftw!!!!!!...we also helped. i diddnt think much people would be reading this besides us..

[slideways...]

Originally Posted by fugiot

Motors like the SR20VE, the K20 and the B18 are what belong in FWD sport compacts. Torque steer is teh sukk.

hmmmm you must hate specs then.

but anyways...
fugiot is the only one here who speaks the truth.
SRT > spec
in every way.
except for the fact that the SRT is a neon and that takes it down a notch

its not that inefficient either, but there are things that can be improved (like the hot side of the turbo is actually part of the exhaust manifold)
the srt is rated at 215 but actually makes around 225 to the wheels
a redtop SR20 is rated at 203 and makes like 170-175 to the wheels, so there really is a bigger difference than you realize.
and the other thing is torque. the SRT has tons of torque. smallish turbo, tons of boost, 2.4L engine = torque all over the place.

Originally Posted by nismo_pilot

the only srt that hooks up off the line is the elusive competition group trim level srt's with the lsd up front, i dogged a stage 3 srt all the way up until midway through 3rd cuz he had one tire up in smoke,

no you dogged a stage 3 because he has no idea how to drive. or has really bad tires. or both. a stock srt will launch quite well. you may get him off 1st by a hair but after that he should be gone.

Originally Posted by nismo_pilot

the spec will kill the srt in just about everything but 3rd gear and on in a drag............the spec gets out of the hole better and will actually beat the srt in the 1/8th mile if the sentra driver knows what he's doing, open diff means the srt wont handle as good and for the 5k in price difference you could have yourself a turbocharged spec which will put out almost 100 more hp if you spent the entire 5k on mods............dollar for dollar the spec is a better choice

no no no the srt motor is built better and will handle quite a bit more hp than a spec could hope for. how fast is the fastest spec? 12s? there are already at least several srt4s in the 10s.
the spec motor was created for the base model altima. theres really nothing special about it. the SRT can be built faster for cheaper and has a higher limit. im sorry to bust your nissan bubbles but the truth is the truth.

and actually the open diff means nothing as far as handling. open diff actually will make a FWD car turn easier. it just makes for slower lap times because you have to be lighter on the throttle coming out of the corner.





ok now for this steaming pile...

Originally Posted by ProZach626

I looked at the SRT4's, but I just couldn't bring myself to buy a dodge. I'm not a Domestic fan at all. Which would you think most people would hold to a higher standard, a Nissan or a Dodge? I'm going to break the two cars down visually. (i'm comparing with my 03, I don't like 04+ front clip or the rims) Okay so the SRT4 looks cool with the big spoiler and the hood scoop. It even has a decent ground effects package. However, it looks rather childish and most people will still say "well that's just a neon". Who really wants to drive a neon besides the people that can't afford to mod anything else? It also looks childish in a way.
Okay so lets take my spec v. Yeah it didn't look fast and furious when I bought it, but it had one major thing on it that the SRT4 didn't: CLASS. Even starting with my basic 03 spec, I still turned heads sometimes. If it doesn't look sporty enough for you, do subtle non-riced out mods, like I did to mine. I have a 03 silver spec v. The front end of this car is beautiful and agressive without screaming "look at me i'm a teenager". It even looks better when you take the front Nissan Badge off, as I did. I also painted my brake calipers a dark red to match my SeR logo and purchased a nice set of zinc plated drilled and slotted rotors which look and perform awesome. This looks great through the 03 wheels because the wheels don't hide them. After that I tinted my windows 35% which isn't cheesy dark and looks different in every shade of light, which is pretty cool. I get a lot of compliments for not getting the typical jet black. I got the darkest sunstrip I could and put a very non-obnoxious spec v logo italisized and not not very bold or big. The only other thing besides that is got halogen lights to make my headlights a slight shade of blue. I keep my car clean all the time. None of the cosmetic mods I have done to my car are loud and they are all classy. They all blend well and I get plenty of looks from all ages, young and old, not just the 16 year old punks. The girls I have dated all love my car because it stand out, yet it doesn't fit in with the teenage kids and their rice rockets. The only other things that will effect my car visually to come are lowering 1.5 inches, new tires, and exhaust(nismo which looks nice. NO RICE PIPES ON NISSAN). So there you have my VISUAL comparison. My car turns more heads and gets more respect than any SRT4 I have ever seen. Plus with their ground effects package and spoiler, you can't alter them much to make yours look unique. I just with Nissan wouldn't have changed the front clip, the rims, and the guages on the 04+ models(that's my opinon I don't knock the 04+ models because their tranny is a lot smoother than mine lol). For the record I have the black/grey interior, i'm not a huge fan of the red/black.

+ SRT4's blow engines like crazy because if you mod them at all without building the engine you are screwing yourself.
+ Half the reason SRT4's handle so well is because of sticky tires, put stickys on specs and look out

where to begin...

first ill compress this whole rant into one statement that covers it all

Originally Posted by ProZach626

HI. IM PROZACH. IM AN IGNORANT RICER. THATS ALL.

now let me explain how this works.

not liking a car because your not a domestic fan? thats just as ignorant as those domestic owners that say imports suck because they are missing 4 cylinders.
next you precede to go on this long rant about how your spec turns heads...you say nothing about how your car is actually better, just that alot of people stare at it. thats not necessarily a good thing.
all this talk of how you compare looks of a couple stock SRTs that you saw compare to what you think of your car makes you ignorant. there are other opinions than just yours.

then after all this talk of looks you go on to say you dont want to put a fart can on it because it will make it into a rice rocket. you my friend are what i call a closet ricer. either use some common sense in your judgements, or just stop pretending and start buying vinyl.


oh and the last thing....this was COMPLETELY the wrong post to put this in. failure for even beginning to answer his question.



now heres tom with the weather

[ProZach626]

I don't even know where to start other than saying it takes an ignorant person to try and make his point through offending someone. So cangratulations for making yourself look like an idiot, but i'm sure you don't care along with most of the internet hard asses that have no respect for other peoples' opinions.

But here is why (in my opinion of course) I think your a dumbass

Maybe I'm wrong but I think I made it pretty clear that I was mostly comparing the looks of the two vehicles. As for me being a ricer, I think you're way out of line. I stated that I didn't like domestics, big deal. So if I'm a ricer because I personally don't like domestics, that's fine. Are you going to call people who refuse to buy imports red-necks? I guess i'll forget about the other non-Japanese cars I like such as Subarus, BMW's, Volkswagons, Etc because I just found out that I must be way too hooked up on the new fast and furious movie coming out. I also must be fucking retarded to assume that people actually look at my car. In that case, I should have told some guy that complimented me on my ricer piece of shit that he was out of his fucking mind last night. As far as me saying people will respect Nissans over Dodge vehicles, I think that point can be valid. Whenever I hear people talk about Nissans 9 out of 10 times it has to do with them being very reliable long lasting vehicles. 9 out 10 conversations that I hear about dodge vehicles have to do with their transmissions being pieces of shit or how they are cheap cars. That's just my 1st hand experience. Keep in mine I even hear dodge owners trashing their cars along with other domestic brand owners.

As far as you second guessing Nismo_pilot, I think you need to guess again. You never thought to consider the numerous midifications he has done to his Spec V. You also didn't think to admit that he might be a good driver as well. I have taken in a lot of information from Nismo_Pilot and I think if anyone on these forums knows Spec V's, he does. However, you just chose to insult him.

These forums are for sharing advice and opinions. If you can't do that politely and respectfully then I think your focus should directed a lot less at cars and little more at growing up.

[nismo_pilot]

lol thanks for the D zach but im really not offended by slideways......he's just as knowledgable as anyone else ive seen here, however the srt i beat through third was spinning his tires all the way through third, the kid can drive i know him personally but that car was putting out WAY too much power to be effective in a drag without a lsd up front, that being said the comp group srt's are monsters, they are basicly like a spec on light boost, because they hook up hard. Tell me how a peg-legging car will outhandle a lsd car through skidpad, once your one tire with power breaks loose your speed drops and you head for the outside with a quickness, with two tires spinning your traction/drive wheels are double the contact path.........

[nismo_pilot]

Originally Posted by slideways...

no no no the srt motor is built better and will handle quite a bit more hp than a spec could hope for. how fast is the fastest spec? 12s? there are already at least several srt4s in the 10s.
the spec motor was created for the base model altima. theres really nothing special about it. the SRT can be built faster for cheaper and has a higher limit. im sorry to bust your nissan bubbles but the truth is the truth.

Lets not forget srt owners begin with a motor with all forged internals and it comes boosted already, power mods are easier because you dont have to fab up a turbo mani or swap internals, as far as power potential the spec puts out almost 300hp on 8-9 pounds of boost where a srt puts out around 220 or so on 16..........sounds to me like the spec motor is more capable of power, competition group srt's go for around 24k so lets use that one so we both have similar drivetrains and suspensions, with this comparison skidpad and slalom numbers are almost identical so we'll call them even...........now for power, you can snag a 6-speed lsd spec for around 17k, you think that for 7k you cant make the spec faster? forged internals and new valvetrain will enable you to handle around 15psi of boost and thats being safe, and should cost around 2k. Drop the rest on a turbo kit and you can make 450hp no problem...... all while your pretty little srt is only making around 250 or so, whatever engine mods come with the competition group. I will stand behind the fact that the qr25 is probably the worst designed engine ive seen, but even with shitty internals it can make 300hp on only 9lbs of boost...........srt-4 nothing

[nismo_pilot]

[quote=ProZach626]You also didn't think to admit that he might be a good driver as well. [quote]


No he didnt, maybe when i get MY 240 going i can make a little road trip and teach him a thing or two.......whatdya think slide?

[fugiot]

Originally Posted by slideways...

hmmmm you must hate specs then.

I Don't HATE them, but I do find the QR to be quite a boring motor in contrast to the SR an VQ.

[fugiot]

Originally Posted by nismo_pilot

however the srt i beat through third was spinning his tires all the way through third, the kid can drive i know him personally but that car was putting out WAY too much power to be effective in a drag without a lsd up front

Dude, you have to accept the fact the your friend isn't a very good driver. If the tires are spinning, why is he still flooring it? He'd be going much faster if he let off a bit to let the tires grab.

A car doesn't have to come with TCS. It's called your right foot.



He was probably banging the fuel cut in 1st and 2nd too, according to your story.