Two questions.

[FTheMan]

One. Would it be cheaper or easier to buy an LS6 engine or just upgrade an LS1 to an LS6?

Two. What is so wrong with Fram oil filters?

[ZL1power69]

an ls6 has a different block, heads, and intake manifold so u can't totaly upgrade an ls1 to an ls6. so im gonna say cheaper to buy the ls6. although some 01-02 fbodies slipped out of the factory with ls6 blocks.
with fram oil filters, i think they break apart over time and don't filter as well as other similarly priced filters. i use wix personaly

[malletslinger]

when did this news come out about the fram filters?!?
I thought fram was suposed to be a good filter! What about proline, are they ok?

[balls_to_the_wall]

Nope, fram sucks.

[blindeyed]

Originally Posted by FTheMan

What is so wrong with Fram oil filters?

Okay, here's the run down on Fram's oil filters guys and gals.

Oil Filters come basically in three qualities. Very good, with excellent filtration; normal; and really incredibly bad. This last category, really incredibly bad, should obviously be avoided. Accordingly, never use a Fram, Pennzoil, Penske, Castrol, or Quaker State oil filter in any motor you like. All of these filters are made by Fram. The filter element itself is a normal paper element, and probably no better or worse than anyone else's paper element. However, the end caps on the filter element are made of cardboard in these filters. There are numerous stories of these cardboard end caps getting saturated with oil and coming apart, putting little cardboard fragments directly into the oil flow into your engine bearings. As they say in Ghost Busters, this "would be bad." Personally, I don't consider cardboard a suitable material for my engine internals.

This is one reason why i always recommend Purolator oil filters, which you can find at any Advance Discount auto parts store. Purolator makes filters in three qualities, standard, premium, and Pure One. Purolator states that their premium filters capture 97.8% @ 30 microns and 85.2% @ 20 microns. These numbers are typical of a normal paper element oil filter. The Purolator Pure One filters capture 99.8% @ 30 microns and 99.2% @ 20 microns. This means the Premium filter is letting through eleven times as many 30 micron particles as the Pure One, and eighteen times as many 20 micron particles. Clearly, the Pure One filter is doing a considerably better job of cleaning the oil than the premium filter.

The way the Pure One achieves this filtering efficiency is by combining three different types of materials in their filter: paper like everyone else to catch the big stuff, and cellulose and fiberglass fibers to fill in the "large" holes in the paper with their much finer fibers. Filters like this are now made by Purolator, Hastings (marketed as AMS), and Champion (marketed as Mobil 1 and Bosch). Accordingly, the best oil filters are the Purolator Pure One, Mobil-1, AMSOil, and Bosch. If you use one of these filters with one of the commercial synthetic oils listed above, you have the best protection money can buy.

Champion says the Bosch is a 15 micron filter, and the Mobil-1 is a 10 micron filter but gives no efficiency numbers. Fram makes a new filter, the X2, which they claim is in this category, but I'm skeptical of all things Fram. In particular, Fram officials seem to claim that all Fram filters have a rating of 10 microns, which calls into serious question how they measure their paper filters, and also why one would pay three times as much for their advanced filters given that they have the same rating as their basic filters. SAE tests would tend to indicate that the Purolator has a slight advantage in filtering over the other filters named here. The important thing is, all of these filters have performance at 30 microns which is far superior to a paper only filter, and all of these filters have performance at 20 microns which is also far superior to a paper filter. So, bottom line, the filters stated in the last paragraph will clean your oil far better than Frams paper-only filter.

[FTheMan]

That's a damn good explaination. Thanks.

[malletslinger]

I agree, thank you.

[Rally Sport]

Since when has blind eyed been a moderator?

[blindeyed]

Originally Posted by Rally Sport

Since when has blind eyed been a moderator?

[FormulaLT1]

Remember the mod apps?. He made a damn good one but TS asked me what I thought and said he was mod material. So there he is. Firebird mod for now but soon to be global I am sure. BTW, I agree thats a damn good post and as a matter of fact, I never really payed close attention to oil filters. I usually just grab one off the shelf and hope it works good enough but now I am going to be sticking with purolator after reading that.


Speaking of good posts, the Firebird and Camaro forums are soon going to have merged sub forums and I had mentioned a few weeks back to a few different members that I would love to make some fact sticky's and common techinical issue's for each gen F-body but unfortunetly I am no specialist in each gen. Most of my knowledge is in 4th gens and I know a fair share about third gens cause they share alot of common parts with 4th gens and I have worked on a few but I think it would be great if everyone could get involved and throw some idea's up or like a group effort of sharing facts . Such as maybe a few of you guys with Third gens could write something up and I know we don't have many first and second gen owners but I am sure Korn or Earlsfat could share some light as well as Kasey with some V6 stuff and Mr.Luos with LS1 facts. Anyway, let me know what you guys think.

John

PS- I am sorry to hijack the thread but Blind pretty much had it covered.

[ZL1power69]

i used fram for 1 day cause i was in a bind. changed the next day with a wix.

[Jcrane88]

Originally Posted by blindxeyed

This is one reason why i always recommend Purolator oil filters, which you can find at any Advance Discount auto parts store. Purolator makes filters in three qualities, standard, premium, and Pure One.

One question, do you get on hell of a sales commission?
J/k
Good read

[FTheMan]

Alright. I'd like to know more about the LS6. What is the displacment? What kind of power did it have in the F-bodies it came in? Anywhere near the power of the Vette one of was it drasticly detuned?

[Dyno247365]

That's a good question. I've never heard of LS6 Camaros or Firebirds before this thread. The LS6 was 346ci like the LS1 but the early Z06s came with 385hp and then later on was rated at 405hp. The torque's very similar to the hp numbers

I think GMHTP magazine dynoed the LS6 at 415hp while it was in a Camaro. If it came like that factory I can't remember...but I remember they were testing different mods on it and started out stock.

[Mr. Luos]

Are you looking to buy a new LS6???
What exactly are you planning here?
What exact info are you looking for??
Sorry, I could write a post about 3 pages long if not given specifics. And I really don't want to do that.

The blocks are slightly different. But will NOT affect power output.