E85 Conversion

[pkbfree]

After some reading, it appears there is no aftermarket e85 conversion kit that (1) works and (2) passes EPA muster.
In 2002, the 5.3 can burn both. Has anyone heard or know if there is a comparison of parts & mod's that would update a '99/ '00 5.3 to the level of the '02?

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by pkbfree

After some reading, it appears there is no aftermarket e85 conversion kit that (1) works and (2) passes EPA muster.
In 2002, the 5.3 can burn both. Has anyone heard or know if there is a comparison of parts & mod's that would update a '99/ '00 5.3 to the level of the '02?

It would take a lot of changing. Might be easer to just get a truck that is already set up for it.
And 10-4 on the epa muster.
Here is a little info on it.
Make sure to read section 203 and 205 of the 1990 epa clean air act
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt

Run a search under federal emissions laws or the Federal clean air act

http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/emissions.htm

Emissions Laws
The Federal Clean Air Act as amended in 1990 has extended the prohibition against removal or rendering inoperative vehicle emissions control devices by the consumer. Changing an engine or even a transmission in a vehicle may change its pollution status and render it illegal for street or even off-road use on lands that are covered by emissions laws. This usually applies to later model vehicles and this, along with other pertinent laws vary from state to state. Generally engines and associated emissions controls from vehicles that are the same year or newer vintage as the vehicle to which they are being converted are legal swaps. However, it is the owner's responsibility to investigate the smog laws and determine that any changes you make to your vehicle will not cause it to be in violation of any state and federal regulations.

Many often ask about the difficulty of installing late model engines, especially those which are OBDII compliant - which includes all engines after 1996. There are some sticky issues involved, but as interest in swaps remains so strong, many resources are available to help decipher it all. We will continue to work in this area so we may be of assistance and offer helpful products to assist with these technologically advanced conversions.

[password]

I heard on the news that the ethanol mixture is bad for engines in the long run

[SLJ2137694]

Originally Posted by password

I heard on the news that the ethanol mixture is bad for engines in the long run

Lets have some specifics and not just passing along a rumor that is most likely wrong. You should not use E-85 unless your vehicle has been designed for it. If it was bad for the engine, do you think GM would be designing vehicles to use it?

[HanibalTheCannibal]

Originally Posted by SLJ2137694

If it was bad for the engine, do you think GM would be designing vehicles to use it?

Lets not get into the etchics of GM. They sold over 400,000 knocking engines and say it is normal. They may be trying to "sound" like they are on the environmental band-wagon. But there is now way to see what E85 does after some years untill people use it for.........

a couple of years. Its just too early to say. Has anyone noticed reduced MPG with the summer blend hitting the market?

[tykrz]

Among the differences, fuel system components are different due to having to withstand the corrossive effects of ethanol. The engine itself is more than likley just another engine.

[jumpingjack66]

I would like to find an e 85 parts list...jj

[gremlin96]

check out the links.

www.e85fuel.com/pdf/ethanol_guidebook.pdf

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...gy/2690341.htm

Alcohol is a corrosive solvent. Anything exposed to ethanol must be made of corrosion-resistant (and expensive) stainless steel or plastic--from fuel-injection components to the tanks, pumps and hoses that dispense E85, as well as the tankers that deliver it.

[pkbfree]

Checked around... thoughts (not absolutes) from Allen Nelson

"As far as I know, the contents in the gas tank, PCM, injectors are the only difference."

[gremlin96]

Originally Posted by pkbfree

Checked around... thoughts (not absolutes) from Allen Nelson

"As far as I know, the contents in the gas tank, PCM, injectors are the only difference."

had my motorhead look at ever thing i would need to replace. he said get a truck set up for it. you must replace every gasket in the motor to one that will take the alcohol. there are enuff parts that need to be replaced that I can not even list them here.

he went nuts on how many changes needed to be done for a e100 to boot.

[BlenderWizard]

Originally Posted by pkbfree

Checked around... thoughts (not absolutes) from Allen Nelson

"As far as I know, the contents in the gas tank, PCM, injectors are the only difference."

I had read that somewhere, too. New fuel pump and injectors. What "gaskets" is your "motorhead" talking about? Intake manifold gaskets? Head gaskets? Those would be the only ones I could possibly see coming into contact with fuel

[TexasF355F1]

from what ive read ethanol is not as fuel efficient as gasoline b/c it's takes more energy to burn it. it's all a bunch of hype thrown up by the wackos anyway. if you wanna jump on the bandwagon to feel like you're doing you're part go ahead.

i just always think of that south park episode.....smug

[pkbfree]

Right on with the south park!! Gas over $3 creates a window where efficiency and price make e85 attractive. I agree it's an energy waste. The University of Nebraska (Lincoln) rebuilt a silverado (http://www.engr.unl.edu/~ethanol/unl-sae2.pdf), but had some pricy mods and did not disclose economy.
At any rate, I bet somebody will get rich for getting an aftermarket mod kit on the market.

[jumpingjack66]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

from what ive read ethanol is not as fuel efficient as gasoline b/c it's takes more energy to burn it. it's all a bunch of hype thrown up by the wackos anyway. if you wanna jump on the bandwagon to feel like you're doing you're part go ahead.

i just always think of that south park episode.....smug

To be correct Texas a gallon of e85 has less energy per gallon than gasoline Aproxamatly 13% less energy, its characteristic's have nothing to do with how much energy it takes to burn it...but if it ( E85 ) stayed 1.5 to 1.75 a gallon cheaper than gas it will pay for itself quikly if you changed over I"ll have to crunch the numbers but the only hitch is what was mentioned previous in this tthread about engine seals, if alcohol leaves a corosive residue in the oil then youd half to change about all engine seals and that would suck on so many levels i doint want to talk about...jj

[gremlin96]

Originally Posted by BlenderWizard

I had read that somewhere, too. New fuel pump and injectors. What "gaskets" is your "motorhead" talking about? Intake manifold gaskets? Head gaskets? Those would be the only ones I could possibly see coming into contact with fuel

every gasket in the motor.

unburnt fuel leaks into the oil when your motor sits. piston rings are fun things to play with. thay suffer blow by and leak down even in new motors.