210km/h in fourth gear : for Setanta

[emil13si]

Here it is guys exactly like as said, I can speed up to 210km/h in the 4th gear....HERE IS THE PROOF...

http://www.hondaaddict.com/movie/finale 210.wmv


HOPE THAT YOU'LL ENJOY THE MOVIE SETANTA :rocket:

[90civicrider]

WOW

[emil13si]

Here is the photo of my gauges that you'll see where the numbers are



Oh yeah and one more thing the road wasn't straight but it was going up a little and that sure is noticeing on the finnal reasault, from 210 km/h up :silly2:

[Melt]

nice gauges, I will view the video at work or at a friends house, 56K sucks!

[Melt]

Saw the video, and doesent your car redline at 7? But anyway tight video, and hopefully there were no po-po's or speed cams or any shit like that.

[SiZ]

What engine and what tranny do you have in there? I have an S1 on mine and I think that I'd be bouncing off the rev limiter if I were to hit 220km/h. My car revs at around 4900-5000 at 130 km/h. (5th gear)

[Setanta]

Well yes, I'll admit I could have been wrong Apologies to Emil

/edit:
4th gear with that gearing
7000rpm = 190
7500rpm =204
8000rpm =217

That'll teach me not to do my homework

/end edit:

For those that are interested, the ZC's gear ratios are

1st gear 3.250
2nd gear 1.944
3rd gear 1.346
4th gear 1.033
5 speed 0.878

With a final drive of 3.888

Wheels/tyres come factory in this config/diameter: 185/60R14

I'm too lazy to work out what the speed at 8000rpm is with those ratios. BTW Emil, your top speed is defined by the gearbox @ rpm, not by the power your engine puts out. The engine gets you there, the gearbox defines the speed you get to.

Siz: your B16A/S1 ratios are:

XSi 'teg:

1st gear 3.250
2nd gear 2.052
3rd gear 1.416
4th gear 1.103
5 speed 0.906

Final drive ratio: 4.400

Factory tires on the XSi 'teg: 195/60 R14

That means you get to speed a lot more quickly than Emil will, but will not have the top end.

By comparison, the SiR's Y1 tranny is in a similar boat although with a slightly better top end (but not much).

1st gear 3.166
2nd gear 2.052
3rd gear 1.416
4th gear 1.103
5 speed 0.87

Final drive is 4.266

Tyres: 195/60 R14

However, I still do not see how having an ECU that will let you rev out more increases your performance to outrun a modified B16A powered EG unless your EGs have different ratios to the JDM EG6 or the Aussie EK4. I guess it depends on what terminal speed you are using.

Still, kudos on the video - nice work

[Setanta]

Ok, put all the figures into a calculator assuming wheel diameter is equal to stock - here's the theoretical figures ( I say theoretical 'cause terminal speeds in 5th are questionable that a 4G will actually do them

In all cases they are taken at 8000rpm

Emil's ZC powered Civic:

1st 69
2nd 115
3rd 166
4th 217
5th 255 (!)

SiZ' S1 XSi 'teg tranny:

1st 62
2nd 98
3rd 143
4th 183
5th 223 ( )

JDM EF9 (humble pie) SiR:

1st 66
2nd 102
3rd 147
4th 189
5th 239

JDM Integra Type R GF-DC2 (as comparison):

Now this is really interesting:

1st 59
2nd 90
3rd 130
4th 183
5th 240

Of course, we all know which car is going to get to 240 the fastest

ITR is based on the following from Honda's spec page:

1st gear 3.230
2nd gear 2.105
3rd gear 1.458
4th gear 1.034
5 speed 0.787
Final ratio 4.785

Tyres: 215/45/16

[amy@af]

Originally posted by Setanta


JDM EF9 (humble pie) SiR:

ROTFL!

man, you worked those numbers quick...better you than me

[emil13si]

Now I don't understand what you wanna say to me Setanta.The wheel diametre is equal to stock and something else if you assome that my km/h meter is laying it's not cause I can test it everyday and I did test it and it works right...I can video that too for you if that what I've put on is not good enough proof for you...

And I did said, why I didn't reach the 230km/h sooner it's cause the road wasn't straight but it was goin up, I don't know if your car puls harder in fifth than fourth, cause mine don't personaly I think that my fifth gear is lassy(slow) but as you've seen there my km/h meter couldn't move more cause there is the end of scale and pointer I think can't go arround at least in my car...And to mention one thing to the road was wet cause it was raining 5min ago that's is why I couldn't pull much harder in 1st gear but I'll made one more DiVX on the straight road and dry so you'll see all performances of my car, this video was shot just to proof one thing 210 km/h...nothing else

So Setanta what do you want to say now I didn't understend why did you put those numbers on to tease me or what or just for knowledge cause I know where my gears max is for all of them and I think that you've put a little too much in 4th gear I said that the max speed I pulled of it 210 km/h cause I don't want my engine to blow up so I'll never try to push it more at least till I won't get some more parts for my engine and that will be soon



Belive it or not in here I have two friends one has S2000 and the other has TypeR integra and they were bouth just WOW and said that that is crazy...

So now Setanta tell me just one thing that I want to hear.
Can my car speed up to 210 km/h in fourth gear or not, that I'll know where we stand.

[CRXkid]

I was just wondering what it would be in mph. Cuz that sounds fast, and I'm sure it is. But i was just wondering what the difference is.

[emil13si]

Originally posted by Melt
Saw the video, and doesent your car redline at 7? But anyway tight video, and hopefully there were no po-po's or speed cams or any shit like that.

The previus rpm limit was 7300 but with new ECU thay say it's about 8600 that's why it goes till 8000 and more in 1 and 2 gear it goes more than 8000 that's why I must buy a new RPM meter I'll get it soon with all the other taches for oil temparature, presure and water and I'll also upgrade in OIL COOLER the one that is used in RALLY cars, then I'll change the pistons and polish head and all other stuff and add header if all will go by luck from AKRAPOVIC (he's doing the best exhaust for motors better than SCORPION) on e friend of mine had his headers and the car was getting some HP if I won't get AKRAPOVIC my friend that does a lot of stuff for rally will do one for me ...

Then I'll probobly dyno test it...

Soon I'll post the race with S2000 and Integra TypeR I'll try to convince my friends to video one race, affcourse the 1/4 mile ...We'll see for how much they'll smoke me


And yes Setanta something for you think abou it, my car is a year 1990 but model 1989' and my friend that has 90' model said that my car must have longer transsmision (what I meant to say that original my car was having max gear speed at least 5-10km/h higher than his) bouth car were 130HP 1.6 16V CIVIC HB stock...If that is true I don't know cause I didn't look at spec. of his and my car

[Setanta]

Huh? What are you talking about Emil?

Originally posted by Setanta
Well yes, I'll admit I could have been wrong Apologies to Emil

Figures are there to show why the ZC has a higher top end than other Civics and Integras - it has to do with the ratios (and trust me, they are spot on based on Honda's database and mathematics).

But... I stand by my statement that while you have a higher top end, other cars with more power will get there faster (lets say hypothetically 200 km/h). If you get more power from the engine then you get there faster, it does not affect top-end speed (unless you can get more RPM and better aerodynamics on a 4th Gen).

All I can think of is that your VT EG Civics are slower than the ones I know of because a modified EG with a B16A wouldn't get taken by a ZC powered EF. That's just my experience though

[Setanta]

Originally posted by CRXkid
I was just wondering what it would be in mph. Cuz that sounds fast, and I'm sure it is. But i was just wondering what the difference is.

CRXkid:

210 km/h = 130.5 m/h

[emil13si]

Setanta I can't belive that you are saying that our b16a are slower than yours, that I tell you something in here we get all the powerfull stuff, the only integra that you could get here is 98' up and just TYPE R 190HP, then another car ACCORD TYPE R that has I think about 210 HP, then we also have new civic TYPE R 200HP we are now just waiting to get RSX TYPE R only and that'll be soon...We get all the car from England(stronger engines, all b16a.typeRs) as I know and they are directly from Japan so don't say that in Japan made b16a is slower than yours...

I can't belive that you're saying something like that...


I was thinking that on this forum we all want to reach for the same goal to be equal or quicker than other models of honda and that we stick together and suport each other but I don't think that anymore I'm very disaponted In all forums they put me down becouse I have 4th gen and finally I found the forum that I thought it'll be the best for me cause I thought that in here someone would respect the work and $$$ I put into my car but it's not like that