8's rule!!!

[Jimbo_Jones]

i'm sick of people bragging about there tiny little rice burners...

yeah, i know, i dont give a flying **** if they do 14-15 quarters, who cares... if there so quick, why is it drag cars still use v8's??!!??

i remember a time when only milk and orange juice came in two litres...

people who beleive that there's no replacement for dislacment please post here, voice your support for the all mighty 350, 440, 351, 308 and many others i've forgotten to mention...

[MadZ]

lol.. those 4 bangers usually need a lot of boost as well to break 14's, so an easy way to handle this issue would be to say..... slap a turbo or two on a new vette and what do you get? a new Z28? a new stang? ... thats right, you get a bad-ass, tire roasting, import bitch-slapping, speed-demon of a car. I rest my case.

[LjasonL]

youre right, there is no replacement for displacement... in drag racing. but there is more to being truly fast than driving in a straight line. my little 4 banger likes eating the ss camaros and ws6 trans ams on the autocross course. drag cars do still use big motors. but just about every other form of racing uses small ones.

[MadZ]

true, never tried autocross before, heard its fun and addictive. I would like to try it sometime but its so damned expensive, at the track I go to anyways. not to mention the price of new tires evey so often.

[LjasonL]

Originally posted by MadZ
lol.. those 4 bangers usually need a lot of boost as well to break 14's, so an easy way to handle this issue would be to say..... slap a turbo or two on a new vette and what do you get? a new Z28? a new stang? ... thats right, you get a bad-ass, tire roasting, import bitch-slapping, speed-demon of a car. I rest my case.

as far as needing a lot of boost to break 14's, im at high 13's with $600 in parts and no boost. i have a 4 cylinder in the works that should get 12's on less than $1500, including the price of the car itself. there are quite a few 4 cylinders that can run consistant 14's and 13's bone stock and naturally aspirated. small cars dont need to make as much power as big ones to be as fast, its a simple power/weight ratio issue. some of the most interesting street machines to me are little MG's and austin healys and triumphs with LS1's or LS4's or LT1's. little car + big motor =

you just must have a lot of worthless rice where youre from

[MadZ]

actually many cars on the road racing circuits have V8's too,uuummmm.....NASCAR(I don't have a mullet I promise), formula 1(not all 8's, but not four bangers either), indy, actually I can't think of one form of racing that utilizes 4 cyl. cars. but I'm sure you'll enlighten me.

[MadZ]

yes, too much rice lol

[LjasonL]

the formula cars use v8, but theyre small, likw 1.5 liter v8s. so the "no replacement for displacement" doesnt really apply, in my opinion anyways.

[MadZ]

they have a smaller stroke for higher rpm's allowing them to get the best of both worlds... high rpm's and massive torque.

[Jimbo_Jones]

8's are awesome... get used to it, I6's arent too bad, i'm willing to give nissan/toyota some credits coz they can accept that you need more than 4 cylinders to go fast

[Jimbo_Jones]

as in supra and skylines

[TerminalVelocity]

Ok, for dragracing, the 8's got it. Now, unless you take it a step higher (read diablo v-12's)

Now if you go the rice route with a Cobra, and gut the motha, then add a sequencial twin turbo, better intake and exaust, well, your going to be screaming 11's or 10's. Easy....

I constantly burn hondas, and acuras (read "powered by honda"). Dusted a 240sx tonight infact. I also wanna take on a Hundi (sp) Tiburon, never gotten to take on an eclipse, I want to though. Their 2002GT, Their 2002GT is a 14 sec car, no boost. Its not a 4 eather. I took on a WRX with an upgraded boost in my trans am, but it was a sad race *my shift cable broke, couldnt leave first*

I do love alot of rice, believe me, alot of those lil guys get me smiling. But thats just what they are, lil brothers and sisters to us muscle heads. Now, granted, in autox they generally will win, but i'm not talking about that. I see far too many civics trying to mob on my 5.0, and I cant help but laugh.

Now if a RX-7 rolls up, or an NSX, a S2000, a 300ZX, Type R (raced one, beat it once, then he beat me, and then cops rolled on him :hehe: ), Supra, or any other hot rice I am forgetitng to mention, then I will take them serously.

Other than that, there is hardly any compition from rice for the 8's

Oh, and for honda boys and gals, the 1.8L is about 100 cubes...Chopers are clowin on ya, and they only got two wheels.

[LjasonL]

so displacement doesnt matter at all... its all about number of cylinders?

for example which car do u think has more power potential- a 1,000 c.i. 4 cylinder or a 500c.i. v8? the 4 cylinder does of course, its simply bigger! number of cylinders has little to do with it. granted there arent many 1,000 c.i. 4 cylinders out there, but waaay back in the beginning of nascar i think ford ran a thousand-something c.i. 4 banger.

are you aware that there is a 4 cylinder car running 5's in the 1/4 mile. it makes over 3,000 hp. yes its a 4 cylinder. but its a damn BIG 4 cylinder.

[TerminalVelocity]

ok, ok, that wasnt my point, I didnt get that across very well *I havent slept in roughly 26 hours thanks to work, which I got off from a few hours ago* Displacement has alot to do with it. The 2.2DOHC (it is a 2.2 right?) produces 145hp and 135 torque or something if i'm not mistaken, now, for its size, thats really impressive, but, if you were to max out the ford 4.6, putting DOHC on it, with a good intake etc...well...you have the SVT Cobra spec 4.6 engine.

Displacement: 4.6 liter/280 cid (DOHC 32 valve)
Compression ratio: 8.5:1
Horsepower: 390 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 390 lbs.-ft. @ 3500 rpm

Displacement: 1998cc (DOHC i-VTEC 16 valve )
Compression ratio: 9.8:1
Horsepower: 160 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 132 lbs.-ft. @ 5000 rpm


And ricers say that by adding a turbo, they can easly beat a cobra.....must be one hell of a turbo...and even then, why dosent the cobra just add a high psi supercharger?

my .0002cents (so cut me a break, I cant afford eather of these cars atm, I can just beat the second)

[Dramier]

There's one other factor that is important in some cases. I like my strip car to be my daily driver as well. Try getting the 26-30mpg I get from my turbocharged 3L v6 from your V8.

As far as a cobra goes.. I bet I can smoke him on a long race.. he'll run out of gas..

V8's are nice yeah... but I prefer turbo V6's alot more. There's no replacement for displacement, and you REALLY displace a lot of hot air.


Dramier