a world at peace

zx2guy · #1 05-09-2006, 10:27 PM

i sat in at a Pitt U. history class and the professor was talking of what our world might be like at complete peace. he spoke of natural progression of our technology and knowledge through thought of "what if?" and "can we?"

i sat and listened to this lecture for about an hour ( the class was 3 hours long... i think) and he got to a point where he asked if anyone had any questions. a moment of silence passes and i raise my hand. and i am called upon. i turn the lecture around by talking of the arms races, the race to the moon, and the cold war. bottom line i put down was even if we are not at "war" you can not have a world at peace as long as the neighbors have a standing bet of whos car is faster. and through that technology will progress. so what do you think? do you believe that war or peace is the cause of progress? and why? the reason i ask is after about another 45 minutes on my lecturing part, i asked if anyone had questions... the professor said my opinion was "very good." so either i covered the topic well or he brushed me aside

mellowboy · #2 05-10-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by zx2guy

I turn the lecture around by talking of the arms races, the race to the moon, and the cold war. bottom line i put down was even if we are not at "war" you can not have a world at peace as long as the neighbors have a standing bet of whos car is faster. and through that technology will progress.so what do you think? do you believe that war or peace is the cause of progress? and why?the reason i ask is after about another 45 minutes on my lecturing part, i asked if anyone had questions... the professor said my opinion was "very good." so either i covered the topic well or he brushed me aside

Well you can define WAR in many terms. Like war with words , or any sports rivalry that does not have anything to do with violence. Peace? Everyone has there own belief that how/if/when peace will arrive. Your views on arms race is more complexed than you think. Look at N.Korea/Iran for an example. American gov't is telling them to get rid of nukes. They refuse because we have nukes. Its like " why should we get rid of ours if your not goin to get rid of yours?" If they refuse, and theres no "peaceful" solution, then WAR can happen. Like how we destroyed Iraq for nothing. Thats what doesn't make sense to me. IF we believe in peace, then why engage in a war? Its like we're forcing peace (on our terms) on other countries. Thats my speculation on things that are goin on today.

Peace only works if ppl learn to compromise and are united but we're so divided on many issues.

KustmAce · #3 05-10-2006, 01:37 AM

its human nature to fight/compete, therefore there will never be complete peace. its a natural impossibilty

mellowboy · #4 05-10-2006, 01:42 AM

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its human nature to fight/compete, therefore there will never be complete peace. its a natural impossibilty

Nothing is impossible. Like I said earlier...everyone has different beliefs which include religious wise also. Sure its human nature to have "animal instinct" (as I like to describe) but we all have to learn how to control ourselves and not making excuses for our behavior.

Broke_as_**** · #5 05-10-2006, 02:15 AM

Agreed.

You'll never get everyone to agree on anything, however, since there is people in the world that can resolve differences without resorting to violence there is the hope that one day they will be the majority in the general populace and more importantly in leadership positions around the world.

I actually believe right now that most people wouldn't resort to violence as long as it's on a personal level. However if a few people in key leadership positions can instill a mob mentality playing off peoples fears and prejudices and induce them into a "us vs them" mind set then violence can be brought upon the world as we've seen through out history back to the beginings of society.

I doubt we'll see peace our lives, or the lives of anyone for a thousand years. Humanity will figure it out and prosper or destroy itself.

Either way, I got a nice car so I'm good.

zx2guy · #6 05-10-2006, 10:49 PM

to touch on religion look at this. thought provoking to say the least.but does anyone else think the iraq war was an attempt at foresight failed? this was brought up today in one of my talks with my friends im not sure what to make of the thought, however i have read books that believe that if we start war in to stop the posibility of one we still have war, we fear desease so we huddle the sick and create one. scary stuff.

NAVY IC · #7 06-03-2006, 07:33 PM

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If they refuse, and theres no "peaceful" solution, then WAR can happen. Like how we destroyed Iraq for nothing. Thats what doesn't make sense to me. IF we believe in peace, then why engage in a war? Its like we're forcing peace (on our terms) on other countries. Thats my speculation on things that are goin on today.

Iraq is not destroyed...Sadam and his sons are.
The next time you talk to some Iraqis, ask them to tell you how grateful they are,
because they personally told me over and over...

mellowboy · #8 06-03-2006, 07:46 PM

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Iraq is not destroyed...Sadam and his sons are.
The next time you talk to some Iraqis, ask them to tell you how grateful they are,
because they personally told me over and over...

Since I'm Iraqi and have family over there.....all of them said they're not grateful and are in worse situation when the war started. You'll get different views from different individual.

drunken monkey · #9 06-03-2006, 08:06 PM

the saddest thing to me about the iraq war is the destruction of the cities.

the place of the arabian nights is now a pile of rubble.
it really saddens me to even think about how something so tragic could happen to a place with so much cultural history.

NAVY IC · #10 06-03-2006, 09:36 PM

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Since I'm Iraqi and have family over there.....all of them said they're not grateful and are in worse situation when the war started. You'll get different views from different individual.

I'll bet former members of Saddam's republican guard are in worse shape also...I'm not insinuating anything, just agreeing with you on the different views from different people....

mellowboy · #11 06-03-2006, 10:18 PM

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I'll bet former members of Saddam's republican guard are in worse shape also...I'm not insinuating anything, just agreeing with you on the different views from different people....

Which has nothing to do with my families/friends views.

03cavPA · #12 06-04-2006, 07:29 AM

Do your family or friends know anyone who was "questioned" by Saddam's regime or killed by members of his regime?

That's not a sarcastic remark, nor is it meant to elicit another longwinded diatribe. I actually would like to know of any personal experience there.

Most of the servicemembers I've talked to think they really are making a difference in the middle East. I agree that it depends upon whom we talk to. They also say that a number of Iraqis are glad they don't have to keep looking over their shoulders to see if Saddam's men are coming for them. They would like to see the extremists stop killing everything they can get their hands on, though.

It's too bad that it took this to remove Saddam from power, but there are other dictators we can set our sights on, too.

NAVY IC · #13 06-05-2006, 10:14 PM

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It's too bad that it took this to remove Saddam from power, but there are other dictators we can set our sights on, too.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of all who threaten it...
America...F?ck Yeah!!!

mellowboy · #14 06-06-2006, 09:59 AM

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Do your family or friends know anyone who was "questioned" by Saddam's regime or killed by members of his regime?

No one in my family.Not that I know of atleast. Some actually worked for the goverment. Both Shi'as and Catholics worked for the gov't. Thats all I know...

zx2guy · #15 06-06-2006, 07:23 PM

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Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of all who threaten it...
America...F?ck Yeah!!!

uhuh thats the type of attitude that will get your american ass shot if you ever decide to visit out of country... personally i look forward to the day that we all can cross eachothers borders w/o kidnappings, assassinations and so on and so forth... and being an american my self im getting tired of all this targeting we are getting.

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