Stock 2002 Spec V vs Stock 95 Mitsu GS-T

[Evilwayz249]

who will win i think the spec v will stay with maybe even win but i think i might be hyping the spec v alittle too much.....also anyone know the stock 1/4 times of both these cars

[pinyoot4you]

the stock times for the spec claimed 15.5 but people are hitting 15.1 stock.....and the eclipse gst hits 14s, watch out for them tho, they are the master sleeper car, my friend's car looks all stock but has a fat ass t4 turbo in his with a blitz intercooler....damn, he's fast

[narcted]

Quarter mile time I have reported from Sport Compact Car is 15.7 sec at a top speed of 87.4 mph.

Hmm. Interesting match up. I'm actually facing a challenge from a friend who has a 96 Eclipse Turbo. Considering whether to accept...

I figure that if I can keep the race distance short enough before his turbo can spool to speed I might have a chance in my Spec V. The QR25DE engine has some pretty high torque and can make the SER jump quickly at the start. The car starts to lag at higher rpms and speeds. I predict the race would begin with the SE-R taking the lead, but losing it as the Eclipse's Turbo kicks in and begins to pull ahead.

The question is at what point will his car's turbo start to kick in and how long should I make the race? I don't think any of the venues (stop light to stop light) he wants to take me are even 1/4 mile long. Yeah, it's a cheap win, I know. He isn't nearly as technical as I am when it comes to cars. I just figure I'll know when to reject his challenges at stop lights and when to entertain him and then spank his butt.

Then again I'm more a specialist with turns. I could just take him on downhills where power matters less.

[sr20de4evr]

I've raced 2 gst's in my 2001 sentra se 5-spd. One was a 1g with no visible mods, at first I pulled ahead about a car length and then he stayed on my tail till a car pulled into my lane and I had to slow down (maybe 0-45). The other was a 2g from a roll on at about 60-100, we were even all through 3rd and then when I hit about 80 and went to 4th I started pulling on him and by 100 I was about a car length ahead of him, he had exhaust. My friend with a 2000 maxima se auto has also raced a 2g gst about 3 times in a row and beat it by a car length or 2 every time. I've raced my friend twice and both times we were perfectly even.

[1320B4U]

I can see a sentra vspec, but your telling me youv'e beat turbo DSMs in your 140hp sentra?

[sr20de4evr]

it's 145 plus intake, but anyways, yes

[1320B4U]

Uh-huh, I bet that intaked gives you the 60hp you would need to keep up with the DSM's and the Max.

[sr20de4evr]

Ok, eclipses are heavy as shit for their size, I don't know the exact #'s but my friend has a 3g gs and it weighs around 3200lbs. About the maxima, it weighs in the range of 3200-3300lbs and has around 220 hp. The auto has around 180 whp giving it a power to weight ratio of ~18.06. The sentra se weighs about 2650 and has about 125-130 whp with the intake, putting at a power to weight ratio of 20.87. With the gearing ratios of the 4-spd maxima and 5-spd sentra, yes, we ran even, twice, once from ~35-100 and the other was 0-45.

[sr20de4evr]

I also tried to find the 1/4 mile times for a 2000 maxima se auto but all I could find was one for a 5-spd. Although a 5-spd running a 15.4 would be about right. It would make the auto be high 15's, which, remarkably, is what the 2001 sentra se runs!

heres a link to the thread with that timeslip

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=137233

[sr20de4evr]

oh, and I headed over to dsmtalk.com and got some 1/4 mile times on stock gst's

[email protected] with exhaust and k&n drop in filter
[email protected] with k&n drop in and kumho tires
15.35@93 with k&n filter, starquest fmic, free mods, ported t25, turbo back 2.5" no cat, boost control set down to 9 psi
[email protected] with a t-25 @ 15 psi
15.9@89 with HBC @ 15psi, buschur 2.5" turbo back

Those are the only close to stock times I could find. Maybe the drivers I ran against weren't very good but by the looks of these times they were about average if the cars were stock (other than the 2g having exhaust)

[1320B4U]

[email protected] with k&n drop in and kumho tires

-This is about the only one who knows how to drive.


15.35@93 with k&n filter, starquest fmic, free mods, ported t25, turbo back 2.5" no cat, boost control set down to 9 psi

-Somethings wrong with this, he's got intake, a front mount intercooler, a full exhaust (striaght thru mind you), a ported stock turbo, 9psi, normal is like 11psi, and he's running just about stock. Come'on, somethings going on here.

A GS-T weighs 2900 lbs.

A 3rd gen shouldn't even be called an Eclipse.

And let me get this right, you think your car only loses 15-20hp when you measure at the wheels?
-You'd be lucky if you had 100whp.

One more thing, HP isn't everthing. A stock GST makes roughly 205 lb. ft. of torque at 3000rpm.
-Whats your sentra make? 130, maybe 140.

So your 250lbs lighter but also lack 60+hp and more importantly 60+lb. ft. at a low 3000rpm.

Uh-huh

[1320B4U]

PS. A 1st gen. GS-T only weighs about 2600lbs.

And how does a 140hp sentra se run a high 15 when a beastly 180hp/175lb ft Vspec runs a mid 15.

Why do you keep lying?

[sr20de4evr]

omg, do some research before you start flaming people.....

15.759 @ 84.55 MPH ('00 SE Radium) - intake, exhaust, pulleys, suspension
[email protected] ('01 SE White) - intake, exhaust, pulleys, short shifter, suspension
15.935 @ 85.56 MPH ('01 SE Blackout) - intake, exhaust
15.672 @ 85.54 MPH ('00 Sentra SE 5spd, White) - intake, exhaust, pulleys, suspension, timing advanced
15.45 @ 88mph, ('01 SE Granite) - short shifter, timing advanced, intake
15.160 @ 91.33 MPH ('01 SE, Radium) - intake, headers, exhaust, timing advanced, short shifter, suspension
15.070 @ 88.01 MPH ('01 SE Black) - intake, headers, exhaust, cams, short shifter, suspension, tires

the times all depend on the driver but from what i've read the se runs about a 15.9 stock with a pretty good driver, 15.8 with a really good one

btw, the spec-v is a low 15 sec car, not mid

[sr20de4evr]

Also, the spec is showing a much more significant drivetrain loss than the se. Most of them are dynoing in the 145 hp range with the se around 125. Personally I think 20 whp is about what it takes to drop the sentra from a 15.9 to a 15.2

[sr20de4evr]

Originally posted by 1320B4U
PS. A 1st gen. GS-T only weighs about 2600lbs.

well please tell me why then, oh lord, my 91 gs eclipse was SO much slower than my sentra, when, according to you they have the same hp and weigh the same and have basically the same gearing???