Is it necessary to feel bad for people who arent experiencing a normal life?

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

Alright lately Ive been doing mushrooms (twice in the last month), and while I was tripping I began thinking about how people feel bad for other people who are retarted, whacked out on drugs etc. I thought about this because while I was trippin enjoying my high everyone else was living life having to deal with all the stresses of real life.

So when you see someone who isnt what we'd say is 100% mentally are they really all that bad off. Certainly some of these people must be in a living hell but a lot of them seem perfectly content and happy. If anything they have better lives then normal people do.

If you've ever done drugs you realize how much of a hassle a normal life is. What do you think?

[AlbanyCartel]

"ignorance is bliss" somewhat applies here.
i do not want to sound like an asshole, but i do not think the severly retarded think thay have it worse.

as for those who are borderline retarded, there have been studies done which show a slight correlation between depression and mental retardation.

but i suppose it is how they are treated; if you out-right tell the kid he is mentally retarded, he will probably become depressed. if you do not, he might just believe he is just like everyone else.
not knowing your limitations can be both an advantage, and a detriment.

also, IMO, i think those content mentally retarded people you see in school and such aren't really happy. i do not know how to explain it, but they seem "trained" to be happy, you get what i mean?

[Rally Sport]

I think we feel bad for those that are mentally retarded because they arent like us and since we were brought up to feel sympathy towards others that have less than us, is why I think so anyway.

About that 'trained to be happy' part though.. im not really sure about that, or atleast havent or dont see what you mean. I have this kid around in my school who is mentally retarded in some way (Dont know what it is) and when he passes me by he always gives the heads up or a "Hey Bryan" and I just say "Whats up, man?" or something similar. He just seems like a regular person aside from what he has and infact he sits with all the hot preppy girls in our school at lunch time.

[2.2 Straight six]

Originally Posted by Rally Sport 92

when he passes me by he always gives the heads up or a "Hey Bryan" and I just say "Yo! s'up hommie, how ya' doin' mayne?"or something similar. He just seems like a regular person aside from what he has and infact he sits with all the hot preppy girls in our school at lunch time.

...?

i always feel guilty because i've done a lot of shit and deserve to be punished but it's others that suffer. i know we say they "suffer" from an illness, im not sure whether they do, im so some if not most do.

[2strokebloke]

Some people experience a great deal difficulty getting along in other people's realities. Someone who is slightly retarded or has high functioning autism, might not realize why they do not have as many friends as other people, or even that people are avoiding them - but they will realize that they do not have friends and do not enjoy a social life that seems to be so easy for other people to have. I really don't think that these spend alot of time feeling bad for themselves because they can't think on the same level as "normal" people, so much as they spend a lot of time being alone and feeling lonely because "normal" people don't want to hang around those with mental problems (and in many cases they will have problems interacting even with those who want to give them company).
You don't have to feel sorry for them, just be understanding of their situation. Pitty doesn't solve anything, understanding does.

[MonsterBengt]

i'd gladly be retarded, life just doesent get easier

[tony36]

I feel less bad for mentally handicapped people than I do for people who use drugs, And yes I do know about drugs and shrooms and that whole dillusionary life. The fact is most mentally challenged people do everything thy can to be self sufficient in life, and don't resort to drugs. Those who do resort to drugs eventually do so to escape reallity, like you suggested you did in your post. The fact is then, mentally challenged people are evidently better equipped to handle life because they take it head on without drugs, like many of us. Those that use drugs to wind down or escape reallity obviously have a bigger problem than handicapped people do if they cannot live normal life without drugs. Sure feel bad for those less fortunate than you, but figure out if they truely are first, and if you do feel bad for them, feeling bad is not enough. If you honestly feel bad for them, you will know it because you won't just say it you will do something about it.

[driftinggrifter2]

Not to mentin being on shrooms and other hallucingens really cause's you to think diffrently than you normally do. Believe me some of the things me and my boys used to talk about yrs back was some wild philosophical shit.

If you've ever done drugs you realize how much of a hassle a normal life is. What do you think?

What exactly is a normal life? I've done meth,shrooms,lsd(in many forms),weed,coke,xtc,pills,and alcohol. You know what. Truthfully I'm enjoying life alot better without all them. Been clean from drugs for over 2yrs now and my life has gotten better and since i got off of drugs I am making the most money I have ever made. Depending on your point of veiw but eventually you will grow out of this stage hopefully.

[Knifeblade]

HHHHHHmmmmmmmmmm, I'd say who defines "normal"???? Normal for the development. disable. is not my normal, but then my normal isn't theirs either.

Neither is MY normal necessarily YOUR normal. I consider myself normal, but to whose individual standard? Society [the majority] rather define normalcy, but that is generalist.

[goat_launcher]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

Some people experience a great deal difficulty getting along in other people's realities. Someone who is slightly retarded or has high functioning autism, might not realize why they do not have as many friends as other people, or even that people are avoiding them - but they will realize that they do not have friends and do not enjoy a social life that seems to be so easy for other people to have. I really don't think that these spend alot of time feeling bad for themselves because they can't think on the same level as "normal" people, so much as they spend a lot of time being alone and feeling lonely because "normal" people don't want to hang around those with mental problems (and in many cases they will have problems interacting even with those who want to give them company).
You don't have to feel sorry for them, just be understanding of their situation. Pitty doesn't solve anything, understanding does.

This guys a genius. Also - people with mental disorders are often not aware of their surroundings anyways. In a lot of situations they dont even realize whats going on. For those cases, I say, ignorance is bliss. The people I feel for are the ones who actually recognize that they are discriminated against becasue of their disability and are depressed because of that.

[quteasabutton]

Originally Posted by goat_launcher

This guys a genius. Also - people with mental disorders are often not aware of their surroundings anyways. In a lot of situations they dont even realize whats going on. For those cases, I say, ignorance is bliss. The people I feel for are the ones who actually recognize that they are discriminated against becasue of their disability and are depressed because of that.

i totally agree with you karl. plus i love you and think you're sexy and want a ride in your subaru outback sport. anyways, back to the thread. yeah i think that if they're not aware of what's going on, why try and make them be? it might be difficult for them to understand anyways. also, why try and emphasize their differences to them. we should be more accepting of those who are capable of understanding they're different and continue to treat those who aren't capable with respect and compassion. it's not their fault that they are the way they are.

[TexasF355F1]

I feel sorry for them in the sense that they may not realize that they aren't like everyone else, and can't have a "normal" life (whatever that may be defined as). But I think I feel more sorry for the people who critize these people, taunt them, ridicule them, and so on.

Thankfully, most of the mentally challenged kids I went to school with (many, from elementary to graduation) were treated pretty equally. Everyone would be extra cordial to them, and make them feel good. When I say everyone, I even mean the meanest kids respected them. Of course there were the few obnoxious kids who teased them, and one kid in particular wouldn't back down and would threaten to fight them. Not to mention, everyone was at his side just incase.

[quteasabutton]

the mentally handicapped kids at the highschool i go to run an extremely profitable coffee shop for everyone here. they're actually really good at it too. it teaches them responsibility and keeps them busy instead of just locking them away in a room and pretending they don't exist like some places do. of course, by letting them roam around the school, accidents do happen. one kid with severe tourettes syndrome beat up a kid last year. and he had to just stand there and take it cuz you can't punch a mentally retarded kid back. same kid last year started chasing me and screaming at me. just cuz he's unbalanced. our school is rich enough to have a personal caretaker for all about 15 special kids too. they're getting lazy tho the lady was just like, "now kenny, you can't scream at people" and then she went back to talking to other people and not paying attention.

[2strokebloke]

Tourettes isn't mental retardation. The kid probably has something else wrong with him in addition if that's how he acts.

[vinnym86]

tripping on shrooms is really somthing... it really throws in questions of life, process, and thought into sharp perspective. I enjoyed the intraspective moments i had, entrenching myself in the new world of thought and sight. it got to a point, however, where i was wandering into dangerous territory. Questions such as existence, and and reason, and process were cornering me into a mindset of insignificance. "buy the ticket, take the ride". I've only learned from it to keep a certain mind set to keep me from wandering into dangerous territory again, and will probably pick up once i've found time and place appropriate. the reason for this post (i konw its a bit ot), is to just tell you to come to your own conclusions from your trip, or suffer seeing life through other eyes. it sticks with you always, the intraspective trip as i'm sure you know, so as long as you don't wander somewhere in your mind you shouldn't belong, find the answer you're looking for by whatever means. i've posted one or two threads around AF tripping and they were pretty fucked up, i'm sure no one really understood what point i was going for, but you figure this out after a lot of thought. i solved a lot of questions i had amounted while tripping in the next weeks sober, reflecting on what i had experienced. if questions that need answering enter areas of your mind that it shouldnt be in, i agree with albanycartel, ignorance is bliss. you should never dig a hole in your thought in search for answers that you know you won't be able to fill back up, and its never satisfying to have the answers from someone else's mind fill up that search for you. this business of retarded folk and drug junkies lives and thought, its too extraordinary unless its somehow directly affecting you, ie someone you know. i'd steer clear or atleast reflect on how you are as a person comparativly to said mentally challanged or junkie. thinking too much would probably lead you to the t-intersection of the Teri Shivo case... just a thought.

wow, that was my 2 cents, more like 2 dollars, but i hope that made sense. reading back, looks more like a run on, but piece it together, im tired.