Attack on Roe v. Wade????

[BNaylor]

I recall we had past discussions on the future of Roe v. Wade and the hot button topic of abortion. Someone stated unequivocally that Roe v. Wade will never be overturned. I replied by saying "never say never". Looks like the attack on Roe v. Wade is commencing sooner rather than later starting with the new abortion ban bill that the South Dakota state legislature just passed. See link below.

Any comments?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/abortion_south_dakota

[TexasF355F1]

Just b/c it passed doesn't mean it'll stick. I'm against abortion, and that's all I'm gonna say about this.

[03cavPA]

I read about the passing of the abortion ban in SD. It is interesting to note that a number of private citizens have already pledged money to support the ban in the inevitable court cases challenging this ban.

There are a lot of issues at stake on this one. The state is exercising the rights of self determination, and they look ready to buck the US gov't. on this one.

Regardless of anyone's position on abortion, there is no denying how divisive this issue is, and always will be. There's also some decent money to be made in the business of fetal destruction.

The SCOTUS now contains pro-life justices. It should come as no surprise to anyone that Roe v. Wade is gonna take a serious pounding, if not thrown out on its ear outright.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by TexasF355F1

Just b/c it passed doesn't mean it'll stick. I'm against abortion, and that's all I'm gonna say about this.

[YogsVR4]

I hope it gets overturned and let it go to the individual states to decide. Its where the decision belongs.

[tenguzero]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

I hope it gets overturned and let it go to the individual states to decide. Its where the decision belongs.

While I like the idea of bringing things to state level, what's to stop individuals who choose the abortion option from going one state over and having it done? Or even if every state were to make it illegal, all it would take is one state to seize the opportunity to become "the abortion state".

As a pro-choicer, obviously I feel it's fair to keep the option open for anyone regardless of where they live. Let's face it -- a state could make it illegal if they wanted to, but something tells me that choice will lead to more people turning to DIY abortion methods, and that means that there's a lot better chance that TWO lives will be put in greater jeopardy. In addition, the chances are greater that those who don't have the foresight/intelligence to take proper measures against unwanted pregnancy, are probably generally poor choices as parents. Which leaves a better chance for a poorly treated/neglected child, or a ward of the state. And I KNOW there are those here who bitch and moan to no end about their tax dollars going into social programs.

Blah. It's a mess regardless of how you approach the issue, so perhaps the best approach is to just keep it the way it is, nation-wide, as opposed to breaking an already convoluted conflict up into 50 convoluted conflicts

[YogsVR4]

If someone needs to cross a state line to get an abortion, then so be it. Not that this is in the same league, but people drive across state lines all the time because of sales tax, (used to be) becaue of the drinking age and a host of other reasons.

While I believe that nearly all the states would make abortion more restrictive, I doubt it will be completely eliminated by any state. The federal government has its grubby mits in too many things that belong at the state or local levels. Abortion is one of those things.

[BNaylor]

People will find ways to circumvent any anti-abortion law. What is to stop them from going to our neighbor up North (Canada) or South to Mexico or other countries for that matter.

[BNaylor]

Update:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060306/...ts_abortion_dc


"The signing of the legislation touches off an expected legal battle that will take years to resolve, Gov. Mike Rounds said in announcing his action."

[GTP Dad]

Abortion has always been a sensitive issue. Unfortunately the women who have abortions are the ones who are making the choice not we men who may have an opinion but unless we are the father we really cannot understand what these women go through. I am of the opinion that women should have a legal choice whether they should have an abortion or not. I guess that is a pro-choice point of view.

If a woman does not have a legal choice then she will pick an illegal one. More and more women will die from back alley abortions like they did years ago. Although I am a staunch advocate of birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancy, when pregnancy does happen the woman should still have the choice on what she can do. Adoption, abortion or motherhood, the choice needs to be hers. Legislating morality is a dead end it didn't work with prohibition, prostitution and it will not work with abortion. Roe v. Wade is under attack but I don't think this issue will go away no matter what happens with the Supreme Court.

Just my 2 cents!!!

[Nicole8188]

Hmmm...the case has nothing to do with abortion, it has to do with the Constitution giving women the right to privacy. It can be argued that the Constitution doesn't specifically grant that right...and that's what conservatives are trying to do.

In my opinion, a bunch of old men shouldn't be allowed to make decisions on abortion rights...I hope I'm never in the situation where I need to have one, but I am pro-choice no matter what. A woman's business is her business.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by Nicole8188

Hmmm...the case has nothing to do with abortion, it has to do with the Constitution giving women the right to privacy. It can be argued that the Constitution doesn't specifically grant that right...and that's what conservatives are trying to do.

In my opinion, a bunch of old men shouldn't be allowed to make decisions on abortion rights...I hope I'm never in the situation where I need to have one, but I am pro-choice no matter what. A woman's business is her business.

However, I believe it's also giving the right to allow daughters under the age of 18 the privacy to not inform their parents. Allowing them to have abortions. I think it's fucked up. Parents have every right to know what their kids are doing if they are caught doing it. Especially something as serious as this.

Kids are now basically allowed to walk all over parents, and parents aren't allowed to parent. If you're even seen in public so much grabbing your kid by the arm in a semi-rough manor you get thrown in jail and ridiculed on the news. It's a damn shame.

[troy1]

Hey dont pick on my state!! Its going to be a legal fight for YEARS....... that means more protesters out side my place next the the planned parenthood place.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by troy1

Hey dont pick on my state!! Its going to be a legal fight for YEARS....... that means more protesters out side my place next the the planned parenthood place.

Hey Troy. Whats up? Boring over at the GP forum and joining GTPDad and me for a little spirited debate.

I see you get a birds eye view of the situation living in South Dakota. What are your views? I'm a conservative but believe the new law there is rather Draconian. No exception for incest, rape and health of mother unless a life threatening situation. I don't know about that. Plus possibility of criminal charges against the mother not just doctor since South Dakota has defined life at conception.

No doubt it will be a legal fight for years to come. Another issue to split the country again.

[troy1]

nothing much ya a little slow over in the GP forum. interesting weather here for march 7 rain, thunder, hail and it was only 40*F all this in a year so far where we have only had 25" of snow (40-60" is normal). but anyways.... I think the Gov. should stay the out of our personal lives, If a woman wants to have an abortion they should have the right to one as long as they have been shown the FACTS about what they are about to do them selves and the fetus. Its kind of like smoking the gov says its not good for you some places wont let you smoke but its not against the law to smoke if you want to, Abortion should be the same way, not having the Gov TELLING you sorry but we control your body now so you can't do that.